Still alive in 1503, when he appears to be listed as Lieutenant Avoyer of Payerne, in the surviving register of Pierre Ruerat, notary at Payerne, 11 apr 1503. The same documents lists various citizens and officials of Payerne, including George de Rive, no relationship indicated, as well as many other familiar names. The genealogies compiled by Hubert de Vevey mention a sale (AEF Reg. Not. 111 fol. 20v, 1505) by Louis Davrye (=d'Affry) to Hans Faulcon acting for his sister Anthonia, widow of the late Johannes de Riva (not yet examined).
[14575] Date of contract, recorded by Pierre Moron p�re, notary at Payerne.
[14574] Date of marriage settlement, Jean de Ripa received from Jean Faucon of Fribourg and his brother Pierre Faucon, 400 fl. for marriage to their sister Anthonia daughter of the late Berard Faucon, Pierre Ruchat, notary p. 33.
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_Oddet DE RIVE ______|
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| | _Pierre FOLA ________
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| |_Fran�oise FOLA _____|
| (.... - 1463) |
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|--Jean DE RIVE
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| _Jaquetus BERTHIN ___|
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|_Isabelle BERTIN ____|
(.... - 1492) m 1459|
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|_Agnelleta _____ ____|
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_Jaquetus DE RIVE _________
| (.... - 1432)
_Oddet DE RIVE ___________|
| (1400 - 1492) m 1459 |
| |_Fran�oise FOLA ___________+
| (.... - 1463)
_George DE RIVE ________|
| (.... - 1552) m 1510 |
| | _Jaquetus BERTHIN _________
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| |_Isabelle BERTIN _________|
| (.... - 1492) m 1459 |
| |_Agnelleta _____ __________
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|--Jeanne DE RIVE
| (.... - 1570)
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| _Roland DE VAUMARCUS _____|
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|_Isabelle DE VAUMARCUS _|
m 1510 |
| _Thuring VON RINGOLTINGEN _
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_Oddet DE RIVE ______|
| (1400 - 1492) m 1459|
| | _Pierre FOLA ________
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| |_Fran�oise FOLA _____|
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|--Marguerite DE RIVE
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|_Isabelle BERTIN ____|
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Her first two husbands are mentioned by a number of historians. Her third marriage seems to have escaped notice. It is noted in the registers of Abraham Chuard, notary at Payerne, 12 jun 1562 (ACV DP 14).
_Jaquetus DE RIVE _________
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_Oddet DE RIVE ___________|
| (1400 - 1492) m 1459 |
| |_Fran�oise FOLA ___________+
| (.... - 1463)
_George DE RIVE ________|
| (.... - 1552) m 1510 |
| | _Jaquetus BERTHIN _________
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| |_Isabelle BERTIN _________|
| (.... - 1492) m 1459 |
| |_Agnelleta _____ __________
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|--Marguerite DE RIVE
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|_Isabelle DE VAUMARCUS _|
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Jacob de Rive is described as her "fr�re paternel", implying that her mother was not the mother of Jacob. It is possible that Jean de Rive had another wife. Her daughters had also inherited, apparently, from Pierre Chevrod, but exactly how is not known.
_Jaquetus DE RIVE ___
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_Oddet DE RIVE ______|
| (1400 - 1492) m 1459|
| |_Fran�oise FOLA _____+
| (.... - 1463)
_Jean DE RIVE _______|
| (.... - 1505) m 1483|
| | _Jaquetus BERTHIN ___
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| |_Isabelle BERTIN ____|
| (.... - 1492) m 1459|
| |_Agnelleta _____ ____
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|--Marie DE RIVE
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| _Jaques MELLET ______|
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Syndic of Payerne, 1458. He is the son of Jaquetus or Jacobus de Rippa who made his testament in 1431 at Payerne. This is proved further by a document of Jean Bellin, notary at Payerne (ACV DP 8, fol. 90, 02 jul 1451), in which Marguereta, daughter of the late Jaqueti de Rippa and his late wife Margareta (her name possibly added later, very faint), and widow of the late Vualcherus Cordeir, cedes property to her brother Oddeti. It is now clear that Oddet was the father of Georges de Rive. Jaquetus was conseiller de Payerne as early as 1408. Oddet is noted as Lieutenant of the Avoyer at Payerne, 1481-1486. (At that period, the Avoyer, appointed by the ruler of Savoie, was usually not resident at Payerne, he simply collected the receipts; the position of Lieutenant d'Avoyer was the actual administrator. After the Bernese conquest, the position of Avoyer became the actual administrator, now appointed by Bern.)
The relationships of this family resulted in a small terrier (ACV Fm 52) containing reconnaissances with dates ranging from 1437 to 1500 (mostly about 1451) concerning property over which various of their ancestors held seigneurie. The preambles of many of the reconnaissances in this volume give genealogical details.
Oddetus de Rippa is named as an adjacent landholder in a "reconnaissance" dated 26 sep 1422, for property subject to the Abbey of Payerne (ACV Aa 12/4, no. 588), which suggests he may have been born as early as 1397, in order to hold property in his own name in 1422.
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_Jaquetus DE RIVE ___
| (.... - 1432)
_Oddet DE RIVE ______|
| (1400 - 1492) m 1459|
| |_Fran�oise FOLA _____+
| (.... - 1463)
_Jean DE RIVE _______|
| (.... - 1505) m 1483|
| | _Jaquetus BERTHIN ___
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| |_Isabelle BERTIN ____|
| (.... - 1492) m 1459|
| |_Agnelleta _____ ____
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Seigneur de Vincelles en la Bresse, Chalonnoise, & de Chasteauvillain en Comt� & de Guygonne en Corgenon, according to Samuel Guichenon, 1650, Histoire de Bresse et de Bugey (Lyon, Jean Antoine Huguetan & Marc Antoine Ravaud), troisi�me partie, pp. 249-258, containing the genealogy of the de Menthon family.
The catalogue of the ACV identifies two isolated documents from this family (ACV C XVI 237/1 and 2), dated 1477 and 1496. These prove to be the testament of Petrus de Sancto-Amore and a transaction by Johannes de Torculari and his wife Peronneta, daughter of Petrus de Sancto-Amore, relating to her father's bequest to the priory of Lutry.
While the present Jean de Saint-Amour is generally supposed to have been the father both of Marie, who married Henri de Menthon, and of Pierre, whose daughter married Johannes de Torculari, it is very possible that a generation has been missed, and that Pierre and his brother Jean (mentioned in Pierre's testament of 1477) are actually the grandchildren of the present Jean de Saint-Amour.
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She had already died by 16 jun 1503, when her heirs are mentioned as owners of an adjacent property in reconnaissance by Gaspardus son of Nicodus de Planchia (ACV Ff 34, fol. 181v).
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|--Pernette DE SAINT-AMOUR
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He is mentioned in various records at Lutry about 1470. The following items in the Archives Communales de Lutry need to be examined: Bleu F 54 (date given as 1558, but referring to a dispute with Noble Pierre de Saint-Amour, who had not paid certain taxes, so it may be that the date should be 1458), Bleu K 261, Bleu K 263. At a much earlier date, 1427, there is a mention in the Archives de la Ville de Lausanne (Poncer. Menthon 88 Suppl�ment) that Marie de Saint-Amour (from other sources, daughter of Jean de Saint-Amour, who had a son Pierre as well) was the wife of Noble Henri de Menthon, Baron of Aubonne. It is entirely plausible that a generation has been skipped in this line, and that this Pierre de Saint-Amour is a grandson of the Jean de Saint-Amour whose daughter married Henri de Menthon.
The testament of Petrus de Sancto-Amore is now faded and damaged (ACV C XVI 237/1, dated 02 jan 1477, thus 1478 by the modern calendar), but it clearly mentions the names of two children, Jacobus and Perroneta, as well as Pierre's wife Pernetta and his brother Johannes. The terms of a bequest to the priory of Lutry are less clear, but they are also the subject of a transaction recorded in an associated document (ACV C XVI 237/2) involving Johannes de Torculari and his wife Perroneta, daughter of Petrus de Sancto-Amore.
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