Meeting Log for Alhn Board Mtg. March 31, 2000 ralhn = Roxann Gess Smith dmohlsick = Darlene Mohlsick Mecosta = Jan Cortez Babydolls = Tracy Putnam darilee = Darillee Bednar Trisha49 = Patricia Neal CarHammett = Carole Hammett luv4family = Lisa Bailey irishracer = Leigh Smith POGO-guest = David Petersen *All Others Are Self-Explanatory [21:05] darilee> Is someone besides Carole going to log this thing [21:05] Babydolls11> It has to be someone using mIRC [21:05] mecosta> Don't know how [21:05] mecosta> I am on MIRC [21:05] ralhn> If nobody else shows up were a quarom, right? [21:06] CarHammett> Hi, everybody. Sorry for late response. Wasn't at computer. Also, I'm not using IRC tonight so I can't log. Sorry. [21:06] pat_sabin> Jan, I'll forward Norm's directions to you. [21:06] ralhn> quorum [21:06] mecosta> My email is not working [21:06] mecosta> can't get or send anything [21:06] darilee> Jan... you and me both try to log it... I'm not guaranteeing anything. [21:06] CarHammett> A quorum would be 5, right? [21:07] mecosta> 4 is a majority [21:07] ralhn> Ok, we'll start in another minute or so, [21:07] CarHammett> 4 is majority of current directors. I think you have to have majority of authorized directors? [21:07] mecosta> If that is so - lets go home guys [21:08] Trisha49> BTW, Norm sent an email that he was very sick and would not make the meeting and retracted his proxy [21:08] darilee> Carole... how do you log... [21:08] ralhn> I'll wait for Carole to tell you how to do it. [21:09] CarHammett> You have to enter chat using mIRC, Darilee (rather than web browser). [21:09] darilee> yep ... both Jan and I mirc [21:09] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [21:09] ralhn> Tell me when you're ready, ok? [21:10] ralhn> Darilee? [21:10] CarHammett> Do you need mIRC log instructions Darilee? [21:11] darilee> I am looking...yes insturctions... [21:11] mecosta> If it says alhnboard files is it logging? [21:11] CarHammett> Let me know if you need me to open my mIRC to try and find them [21:11] *** MaryFloy has joined #alhnboard [21:11] CarHammett> I don't think so, Jan. I think it's in set-up as an option?? [21:12] mecosta> I think that mine is logging as it says alhnboard.log [21:12] CarHammett> I'll go open mine now and see if I can find it (I just keep mine set to log automatically) [21:12] *** luv4family has joined #alhnboard [21:12] pat_sabin> Hi, Lisa [21:12] CarHammett> Do you have 5 directors here now? (IOW, do I need to hurry? ) [21:12] luv4family> 6Hi [21:13] mecosta> I am logging as I can read the log [21:13] darilee> OK then you log... [21:13] ralhn> No, still just four. [21:13] ralhn> We have five. [21:13] CarHammett> I just checked bylaws to make sure, and it does take 5. [21:14] luv4family> 6jan would you send me a copy please of the log [21:14] darilee> Hi mary... [21:14] MaryFloy> Hi Darilee [21:14] mecosta> Kay - you are Lisa??? [21:14] luv4family> 6Yes [21:14] darilee> Hey Lisa... [21:14] mecosta> Great - I get confused with the nicknames [21:14] luv4family> 6Hi [21:15] ralhn> Hi Lisa [21:15] luv4family> 6me 2 [21:15] mecosta> Hi Lisa [21:15] CarHammett> Who's POGO-guest? (I get confused, too, Jan ) [21:15] luv4family> 6Hi Roxy [21:15] mecosta> Don't know [21:15] ralhn> Secret Pal. [21:15] CarHammett> Oh. I thought that must be Barb or Norm (to make 5) [21:15] pat_sabin> Maybe Wally finally got in. [21:15] *** darilee has left #alhnboard [21:16] *** Babydolls11 has joined #alhnboard [21:16] pat_sabin> Uh oh. They're dropping like flies. Happens every time. [21:16] *** irishracer has joined #alhnboard [21:16] mecosta> this only happens with talk city - ever notice [21:16] pat_sabin> Hi Leigh. [21:16] irishracer> hey ya'll [21:17] ralhn> HI! [21:17] pat_sabin> See, another southerner. [21:17] Babydolls11> no meeting yet??? [21:17] mecosta> Hi Leigh [21:17] irishracer> hey Jan [21:17] *** darilee has joined #alhnboard [21:17] mecosta> wb darilee [21:17] darilee> sorry [21:17] Babydolls11> I did not get bumped this time..Lisa called, knocked me out [21:18] ralhn> I wonder if were going to be stood up? [21:18] mecosta> how long should we wait? [21:18] darilee> Barb did say she was coming [21:18] pat_sabin> By Norm and Barb? You've got a quorum. [21:18] ralhn> She told me she was, but that she'd be late. [21:18] ralhn> I thought that we did, didn't Carole H. say no? [21:19] mecosta> yes she did [21:19] pat_sabin> Four out of six. [21:19] mecosta> if we lose two more what happens - poof we're gone [21:19] mecosta> no she says 5 of 9 [21:19] CarHammett> According to the bylaws, a quorum is a majority of the authorized number of directors, which is 9. Ergo, a quorum is 5. [21:19] pat_sabin> Been there, done that. [21:19] pat_sabin> The bylaws don't require nine members. [21:20] pat_sabin> They should, though. [21:20] CarHammett> No, but the authorized number of directors is based on the number of directors authorized by last election and that was nine. [21:20] mecosta> Oh my are you an attorney? [21:20] pat_sabin> So, does that mean our resignations didn't take? [21:20] mecosta> you seem to know all the laws [21:21] pat_sabin> If so, let's get on with the voting. [21:21] darilee> I keep telling you Pat.... I don't think you can resign with out it being accepted by the board [21:21] CarHammett> The vacancies aren't counted when computing the number of authorized directors, Pat. [21:21] ralhn> Barb just wrote an email saying she's trying to get in but can't [21:21] pat_sabin> She's never tried before. [21:22] darilee> She was here last board meeting [21:22] CarHammett> I am not an attorney, Jan, but if you read the bylaws and the Idaho Nonprofit Corporations Act, it's very clear. An attorney isn't needed. [21:22] pat_sabin> Oh, she was? [21:22] Babydolls11> she was briefly about 10 or 15 minutes [21:22] darilee> Yes... she dropped out almost immediately [21:22] CarHammett> Both are also very clear that resignations are effective upon receipt, and that there is no (more) [21:22] Babydolls11> its in the meeting minutes [21:23] mecosta> then how did Deb resign and come back? [21:23] CarHammett> requirement that they be accepted unless the bylaws specify that (and they don't). [21:23] darilee> Nope. Deb resigned and about 1/2 an hour later added she would stay until [21:23] darilee> new board elected [21:23] ralhn> Yep, that's what she did and Carole laughed about nobody ever noticing. [21:23] mecosta> yeh - how does that work [21:23] mecosta> seems like a contradiction [21:23] darilee> If Deb can resign but then hold an election [21:24] pat_sabin> So, can I unresign right now? [21:24] darilee> then Pat can resign after we have found a replacement [21:24] mecosta> there ya go - sounds like a plan [21:24] darilee> NO [21:24] pat_sabin> I don't think anyone called for a vote, Darilee [21:24] darilee> whoops read that wrong [21:24] CarHammett> I think that if you read Deb's two emails, you will find that the second was only a few minutes later, and clarified the first. [21:25] darilee> yep Pat was not recognised as resigned...neither was Tracy... [21:25] mecosta> Oh then maybe it takes Pat longer to clarify herself [21:25] darilee> at least I didn't [21:25] ralhn> Just got another email from Barb, [21:25] darilee> I got my own email to list.... [21:25] mecosta> How long exactly is the clarification period ? Is it in Idaho law? [21:25] darilee> saying I didn't accept it... [21:25] ralhn> She knows exactly how many we needed and said that we might as well call off the meeting. [21:25] pat_sabin> I'm still thinking about clarification. [21:26] darilee> Deb resigned... sent in notification to list. [21:26] POGO-guest> look at section 4 in the bylaws regarding vacancies [21:26] darilee> Deb held election... [21:26] *** luv4family has left #alhnboard [21:26] pat_sabin> Right, Pogo. [21:26] darilee> Deb's resignation was accepted by board [21:26] CarHammett> There's nothing in the Idaho law other than that a resignation is effective immediately unless the resigner(?) specifies a future date. [21:26] darilee> Deb was then off hook [21:26] darilee> Then whole election is hooey... [21:26] mecosta> but I think this is a time clarification period we need [21:27] ralhn> Maybe so? [21:27] darilee> Don't accept that either [21:27] darilee> Board was called to meeting. Deb's resignation was then accepted by that board [21:27] CarHammett> Deb's two emails both went out before Lucy acknowledged either. [21:28] mecosta> Sounds like two sets of standards here [21:28] darilee> I did not acknowledge anyone's resignation [21:28] mecosta> me either [21:28] CarHammett> Whether accepted or not, according to the law and the bylaws, the acceptances are irrelevant to the resignation. [21:29] mecosta> So Deb had no right to do what she did [21:29] mecosta> this is all illegal [21:29] darilee> You can't have it both ways Carole. You gave Deb really good advise. [21:29] CarHammett> If there are two sets of standards, they are not my two sets of standards. I'm just talking about what the law says, not trying to set any "standards." [21:29] pat_sabin> Well, Carole, everyone acknowledges that things were done a little nonconventionally. It's not like we're arguing over a multi million dollar company. [21:29] pat_sabin> Unconventionally [21:30] mecosta> So why can't we unconvention here too? [21:30] pat_sabin> The Idaho Secretary of State probably thinks we're a cult. [21:30] Babydolls11> lol [21:30] mecosta> no more like odd ducks [21:30] pat_sabin> On we take ourselves so seriously. [21:30] ralhn> Lol, no she just thought that Carole was way off base. [21:30] pat_sabin> ONly [21:30] darilee> Who is going to sue us because we want to pass a by-law or two [21:30] *** luv4family has joined #alhnboard [21:30] CarHammett> You can "unconvention" in a board meeting... maybe, but not outside one. [21:30] CarHammett> She? [21:31] dmohlsick> It sounds to me, if it's what Carole wants, it's fine, otherwise, FORGET it [21:31] ralhn> He. I spoke with a woman. [21:31] darilee> I repeat... I have not accepted anyone's resignation [21:31] darilee> I did not accept Deb's until acknowledged by board [21:32] mecosta> Well we are not in a board meeting - we're just talking here [21:32] ralhn> Mary, I'll bet you're getting a kick out of this? [21:32] POGO-guest> "vcancies to be filled by election may be filled by a majority of the remaining directors , although less then a quorum [21:32] MaryFloy> I take the 5th... [21:32] ralhn> I don't blame you a bit. [21:32] darilee> Well said Mary... [21:32] mecosta> sounds like a good plan Mary [21:33] MaryFloy> But...on Deb's resignation, I do have a thought. [21:33] Babydolls11> did anyone see what dave just wrote [21:33] pat_sabin> In sales the first person to talk looses...so let's just sit here real quiet. [21:33] pat_sabin> On the list, Tracy? [21:33] darilee> Mary I will listen [21:33] Babydolls11> By-aws section 4 [21:33] Babydolls11> yes!!! [21:33] ralhn> Shall we just start and figure out if it's legal w/Carole or not later? [21:34] Babydolls11> oops BY-laws [21:34] mecosta> I can't get email [21:34] CarHammett> Re vacancies, that is true, but don't you first have to have a quorum to open the meeting in which to hold the election to fill the vacancies? [21:34] Babydolls11> Dave..please your thoughts [21:34] mecosta> When did we start filling vacancies? [21:34] CarHammett> In other words, you only need 4 voters, but first you must have five present? [21:34] POGO-guest> deb didn't have a quorum of authroized directors [21:34] pat_sabin> No, I'm sure it's a quorum of the remaining board members. [21:34] Babydolls11> I think I see where you are going with this, reading it now [21:35] CarHammett> That's because the number of directors was less than a quorum (re "Deb didn't have a quorum). [21:35] irishracer> may i speak? [21:35] mecosta> Deb was the quorum [21:35] POGO-guest> can't make it up as you go carole [21:35] darilee> yes please [21:35] mecosta> Deb can be a quorum but four of us can't hold a meeting [21:35] irishracer> seems to me in reading section 4 that the current directors can appoint a person to fill the vacancy left by Pat. [21:36] Babydolls11> The bylaws do not "specifically stae" it has to be done in a meeting.... [21:36] irishracer> if they fill the vacancy left by Pat with Pat ok [21:36] darilee> Can we replace Dave with Dave and Tracy with Tracy???also [21:36] mecosta> Sure we can [21:36] POGO-guest> I know for a fact that the second email was made up and sent as an afterthought based on your advice to debbie [21:36] irishracer> please directors - appoint somebody now to fill these spots [21:36] darilee> Thank you Irish [21:37] *** dmohlsick has left #alhnboard [21:37] ralhn> Is that the answer Pogo? She's running ... lol. [21:37] darilee> I agree with Irish... put up or shut up. I move that we replace Pat with Pat...Dave with Dave and Tracy with tracy [21:37] POGO-guest> folks I'm not interested in doing that [21:37] *** dmohlsick has joined #alhnboard [21:37] darilee> OK... Pick Darlene, Lisa or Leigh [21:37] luv4family> I agree [21:37] POGO-guest> I have stated how I feel about the bylaws issues [21:38] POGO-guest> and how they should be done [21:38] CarHammett> Actions done outside a meeting have to be unanimous according to bylaws. [21:38] darilee> remember Pogooooooooo the gators aren't always logs [21:38] pat_sabin> Then, call the meeting to order, Roxy. [21:38] ralhn> The meeting is now called to order. [21:38] ralhn> All present please signify by stasting present or here [21:39] mecosta> present [21:39] darilee> present [21:39] Trisha49> 4Here [21:39] ralhn> Have we approved the minutes of the last meeting? [21:39] mecosta> Move to approve as printed [21:39] darilee> second [21:39] ralhn> so moved [21:40] ralhn> Are there any add., deletions or changes to the agenda? [21:40] ralhn> The President would like to add to the agenda [21:40] ralhn> one other item that she feels is necessary tonight. I would [21:40] ralhn> like to table our previous decision of moving the Alhn, Inc. domain [21:40] ralhn> over to the USGenNet server, in order to pursue other options. [21:41] darilee> I so move [21:41] mecosta> second [21:41] ralhn> all those in favor say aye [21:41] ralhn> aye [21:41] mecosta> aye [21:41] darilee> aye [21:41] Trisha49> 44aye [21:41] ralhn> So moved. [21:42] ralhn> Did the board decide to vote for two additional members ? [21:42] darilee> Madame President... may we also add to the agenda to appoint new members [21:42] darilee> I think the number is 3 [21:42] ralhn> Yes, [21:42] ralhn> Nominations please [21:43] darilee> I also suggest that we ask the person involved to accept now [21:43] ralhn> I agreed say aye [21:43] mecosta> aye [21:43] ralhn> aye [21:43] darilee> aye [21:43] ralhn> Nominations are now open. [21:44] Trisha49> 4aye [21:44] darilee> I present Pat Sabin, Tracy Putham, and Dave. for consideration [21:44] darilee> I have three others also [21:44] darilee> as back ups [21:45] Babydolls11> may I speak??? [21:45] ralhn> Yes you may. [21:45] Babydolls11> I must respectfully decline the nomination thanks [21:45] ralhn> So understood, Tracy. [21:45] Babydolls11> thank you though board [21:46] POGO-guest> As Must I respectfully decline [21:46] pat_sabin> Still thinking...about standards and duties. [21:46] darilee> May I resent the members of the bylaw committe that have showed their faithfulness to ALHN [21:46] darilee> Lisa, Leigh, and Darlene [21:46] darilee> present...not resent [21:47] ralhn> Yes you may. [21:47] darilee> What do you ladies say [21:47] luv4family> May I speak???? [21:47] darilee> Would you serve. [21:47] ralhn> Yes. [21:48] ralhn> Yes she can speak. [21:48] luv4family> I do not think I can serve on the board and be able to serve on the nylaw committee [21:49] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [21:49] luv4family> unless you replace me on the bylaw committee [21:49] dmohlsick> Same here [21:49] ralhn> Pat would you consider returning to the Committee for us, please? [21:49] darilee> OK, then I suggest that we appoint one member tonite to create a quorum [21:50] irishracer> may i speak? [21:50] pat_sabin> As a volunteer, Roxy? [21:50] darilee> and that we create a committee to appoint the 2 other positions [21:50] ralhn> If that's how we have to take you back, but I'd rather see you sit on the Board w/us. [21:50] *** Babydolls11 has joined #alhnboard [21:50] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [21:50] *** Babydolls11 has joined #alhnboard [21:51] pat_sabin> Leigh asked to be recognized. [21:51] ralhn> Go ahead Leigh [21:51] irishracer> is it a conflict of interest to be on the board and committee? i would consider accepting the nomination - but would like that clarified [21:52] ralhn> David I'm going to direct that question to you, please? [21:52] POGO-guest> not a conflict of interest [21:52] darilee> no it said two board members and 3 volunteers [21:52] pat_sabin> May I butt in? The board did vote to have a five member committee- two board members and three volunteers. [21:53] POGO-guest> but it has to do with how you made up the committee [21:53] mecosta> yes we did [21:53] pat_sabin> Board would need to change its vote to allow that. [21:53] POGO-guest> you need to make some changes in the committee or the makeup you want represented [21:53] Babydolls11> May I speak [21:53] ralhn> Yes, Tracy. [21:54] Babydolls11> I specifilly asked for the motion to be worded [21:54] Babydolls11> as 3 volunteers 2 board members [21:54] Babydolls11> but [21:54] *** darilee has left #alhnboard [21:54] Babydolls11> could the volunteers on the committee not resign [21:55] Babydolls11> and new volunteers be appointed? [21:55] luv4family> May I speak? [21:55] ralhn> Yes, you may. [21:55] luv4family> I would be willing to resign from the committee to serve on the board [21:55] irishracer> may i speak? [21:55] ralhn> Yes, you may. [21:56] irishracer> i would too - that is what i was getting at - where does the board feel i would best serve? [21:56] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [21:56] *** Babydolls11 has joined #alhnboard [21:56] dmohlsick> May I speak? [21:56] ralhn> Yes, Darlene please do. [21:57] dmohlsick> I would be willing also to resign, but would also serve where I could be the most beneficial [21:57] ralhn> I truly do respect your integrity Darlene, thank you. [21:58] luv4family> May I speek? [21:58] ralhn> Yes, you may. [21:58] *** darilee has joined #alhnboard [21:59] luv4family> The ultimate goal for me aswell is to provide the best service to all in ALHN and the organization [21:59] luv4family> itself [21:59] ralhn> It looks to me like we have some very loyal and devoted volunteers. [22:00] mecosta> I applaud them [22:00] ralhn> Me too, and I can't say thank you enough! [22:00] mecosta> Can we move to close nominations? [22:00] ralhn> So moved. [22:01] Trisha49> 4second [22:01] ralhn> Jan, since you're taking the minutes can you read back to us who we have, etc; [22:01] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [22:01] *** Babydolls11 has joined #alhnboard [22:02] mecosta> Lisa, Leigh and Darlene [22:02] mecosta> Lisa Bailey, Leigh Smith and Darlene Mohlsick [22:02] ralhn> Nominations are now open to fill one vacancy on the Board. [22:03] ralhn> I'm sorry .. we need to vote for one board position. [22:03] mecosta> Excuse me - thought we just closed nominations [22:03] *** DebAxt has joined #alhnboard [22:04] ralhn> Are we going to fill two board positions at one time? [22:04] mecosta> two or three? [22:05] ralhn> Three, ok. We will now open the vote to fill three vacant board seats. [22:05] ralhn> Lisa Bailey [22:06] MaryFloy> The messages were from Roxy. [22:06] ralhn> Leigh Smith and Darlene Mohlsick [22:06] MaryFloy> sorry. [22:07] ralhn> [22:07] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [22:07] *** Babydolls11 has joined #alhnboard [22:07] *** DebAxt has quit IRC (DebAxt has left the room) [22:08] *** ralhn has left #alhnboard [22:09] pat_sabin> oops [22:09] *** ralhn has joined #alhnboard [22:09] mecosta> wb [22:09] ralhn> I'm back. Did I get bumpped? [22:09] mecosta> must have [22:09] ralhn> What happend please? [22:10] mecosta> You have put the three names on the floor - was that a motion? [22:10] ralhn> Yes. [22:10] darilee> Roxy, if we be filling 3 postions and we have three nominations I move we accept all three [22:10] *** DebAxt has joined #alhnboard [22:10] ralhn> So moved ... all three have been accepted. Thank you! [22:11] ralhn> Welcome aboard guys. [22:11] darilee> Call for vote please [22:11] ralhn> All those in favor say aye. [22:11] mecosta> aye [22:11] ralhn> aye [22:11] darilee> aye [22:11] Trisha49> 4aye [22:12] ralhn> All three nominations have been voted on and approved. [22:12] darilee> Roxy can we amend the agenda to deal with the bylaw committee [22:12] darilee> at this time [22:12] ralhn> Yes, I think that because of the time we should. [22:12] darilee> I am referring to the make up of the committee [22:13] darilee> unless this was discussed while I was lost [22:13] ralhn> No, or I was lost? [22:13] mecosta> No it was not discussed. [22:13] mecosta> Not while you were lost anyway [22:13] ralhn> I so move to amend the agenda to deal with the bylaw committe at this time. [22:14] darilee> second [22:14] ralhn> So moved. [22:14] *** ralhn has left #alhnboard [22:14] *** ralhn has joined #alhnboard [22:15] ralhn> I'm back. I keep getting kicked off .. I"m sorry where were you? [22:15] darilee> Roxy I move that because it would be detrimental to the bylaw committee to strip it of all three members [22:15] mecosta> call for a vote on the first motion [22:15] ralhn> So called. [22:16] mecosta> aye [22:16] ralhn> aye [22:16] darilee> aye [22:16] *** luv4family has quit IRC (luv4family has left the room) [22:16] *** ralhn has left #alhnboard [22:16] dmohlsick> aye [22:17] irishracer> aye [22:17] pat_sabin> lol [22:17] *** ralhn has joined #alhnboard [22:17] *** Babydolls11 has left #alhnboard [22:17] ralhn> I'm back where are we? [22:17] mecosta> voting on the motion [22:17] *** DebAxt has quit IRC (DebAxt has left the room) [22:17] *** DebAxt has joined #alhnboard [22:17] mecosta> Trisha? [22:19] *** luv4family has joined #alhnboard [22:19] darilee> I move that it would be detrimental to the by-law committee to lose 3 of its 5 members that the committee continues as now filled with 5 board members. [22:19] darilee> (Roxy dmohlsick and irish said aye [22:20] luv4family> What have I missed I got lost [22:20] irishracer> could we add enough volunteers to balance it again in favor of non-board members? [22:20] darilee> Roxy open it for discussion... [22:20] ralhn> Ok, open for discussion. [22:21] mecosta> I want volunteers as well on that committee [22:21] mecosta> Its not right all board members [22:21] darilee> I understood by-laws was only one meeting from being done [22:21] dmohlsick> I feel it shouldn't be all board members on the bylaws committee [22:21] irishracer> may i suggest that we get more volunteers involved - some fresh faces and fresh ideas? [22:21] mecosta> excellent idea [22:21] ralhn> I can agree with that. [22:21] darilee> OK... I didn't get a second anyway so take back my motion [22:22] dmohlsick> There are surely more volunteers out there that would love to serve [22:22] ralhn> Motion excepted. [22:22] irishracer> i second your motion and have added to it Darilee [22:22] irishracer> it would be a bigger committee but that could be better [22:22] mecosta> what motion is that? [22:22] mecosta> little confused here [22:22] darilee> Make a new one Jan [22:23] mecosta> The last one was for all board members [22:23] darilee> yes... so make a new motion... [22:23] mecosta> Can we at least balance the committee? [22:23] mecosta> 5 board - 5 volunteers [22:23] irishracer> i move that we keep the board members on the committee and add volunteers to create the original makeup [22:23] dmohlsick> second [22:24] mecosta> then that would be 5 board 6 volunteers [22:24] irishracer> correct [22:24] dmohlsick> yes [22:24] mecosta> is that the intent ? [22:24] ralhn> I'd like to ask that the present and the ex Bylaws Committee Members join in this conversation. [22:24] irishracer> that was my motion - thanks Jan [22:24] ralhn> Would that be ok with you? [22:25] luv4family> The original make up of the committee was to give voice to the volunteers right? [22:25] pat_sabin> Ok. But I don't think 5-6 is the original ratio. [22:25] pat_sabin> Is it? [22:25] mecosta> I think you're right Pat it was 2 - 3 [22:25] ralhn> It was 2-3 [22:25] mecosta> I was thinking 3-5 [22:26] mecosta> 3-4 [22:26] dmohlsick> So make it 4 to 6 [22:26] pat_sabin> Closer. [22:26] dmohlsick> I can resign [22:26] pat_sabin> Oh, no, don't do that. [22:27] mecosta> but we have 5 board members on there now [22:27] irishracer> well we are heavy a board member - i can resign [22:27] ralhn> We certainly don't want that, Darlene. [22:27] dmohlsick> Then make it 5 - 7 [22:27] darilee> now willing to lose any of the board members. [22:28] luv4family> 5-7 ratio works for me [22:28] irishracer> 5 -7 is good - as long as the committee is favored by volunteers [22:28] dmohlsick> That's getting to be a rather large committee, but it could prove beneficial [22:28] pat_sabin> Long meetings in Talk City. [22:29] pat_sabin> :-) [22:29] irishracer> it will go slower for sure - but all will probably not make all meetings [22:29] mecosta> But more input - just wonder if we can find that many volunteers [22:29] irishracer> we will have to solicit them [22:29] pat_sabin> Once they know how much fun it is... [22:29] dmohlsick> We may have to ask some of the members [22:29] *** ralhn has left #alhnboard [22:29] irishracer> i think many would accept if asked [22:30] dmohlsick> Some of the best volunteers are bashful and need to be asked [22:30] mecosta> Then your motion Leigh is for 5-7 members on the committee? [22:30] *** ralhn has joined #alhnboard [22:30] irishracer> yes - thank you Jan [22:30] ralhn> Did I miss anything? [22:30] dmohlsick> Not yet [22:30] mecosta> Motion was made by Leigh for 5-7 memebrs on committee - we need a second [22:31] dmohlsick> Just settled on 5 - 7 [22:31] dmohlsick> second [22:31] ralhn> So moved. [22:31] darilee> vote???? [22:32] irishracer> aye [22:32] dmohlsick> aye [22:32] mecosta> aye [22:32] ralhn> aye [22:32] luv4family> aye [22:32] darilee> sorry Roxy I was reminding you to call for the vote [22:33] ralhn> All those in favor say aye [22:33] dmohlsick> aye [22:33] darilee> aye [22:33] ralhn> aye [22:33] irishracer> aye [22:33] luv4family> aye [22:33] mecosta> aye [22:33] ralhn> We need to vote on whether or not we want to accept the committee's membership proposal "as is" or do we need to dicuss it more? [22:34] ralhn> Let me put that as a vote. [22:34] ralhn> Do we accept it? [22:35] ralhn> In favor? [22:35] ralhn> oppose? [22:35] luv4family> in favor of [22:36] dmohlsick> in favor of [22:36] Trisha49> 46aye for the last vote and in favor for this one---sorry but have phone calls [22:36] darilee> in favor.. [22:36] irishracer> in favor - [22:38] ralhn> in favor of [22:38] ralhn> Jan did you reply? [22:38] mecosta> sorry - back - in favor [22:39] ralhn> Ok, have we all accepted it and voted? [22:39] dmohlsick> Yes [22:39] mecosta> think so [22:39] ralhn> So moved. [22:40] darilee> 7 in favor of 2 absent [22:40] ralhn> Thank you Darilee. [22:40] irishracer> may i speak? [22:41] ralhn> Yes, you may. [22:41] irishracer> i would like to mention one thing about the membership part of the by-laws that we just accepted. [22:41] irishracer> that is that there is a date mentioned - March 31 - whereby all existing webmasters may choose to be [22:42] irishracer> members. therefore - we must immediately ask them and get a tally [22:42] irishracer> so i would like to discuss how we go about this and make sure everyone is asked [22:42] MaryFloy> May I speak? [22:43] ralhn> The ex and new bylaws committee members are welcomed to speak. [22:43] *** DebAxt has left #alhnboard [22:43] darilee> I have a partical list of webmasters.... and we could post it to the ALHN list [22:44] darilee> Roxy. was that a yes to Mary?? [22:45] ralhn> Go ahead Mary. [22:45] dmohlsick> We can't leave anybody out. They may not see it the ALHN list [22:45] ralhn> I'd like to hear from Pat and Dave. [22:45] MaryFloy> I'm confused about what the motion(s) are that were just voted on. [22:46] irishracer> i believe we must have a form letter sent to individual e-mail addresses and request and time frame to respond [22:47] mecosta> I think Mary Floy is correct - it was a vote but no motion and no second. [22:49] luv4family> with regards to the deadline the committee voted to reset the date once the board approved the proposal thus allowing any time for amendments to the original proposal [22:49] dmohlsick> I move we accept the membership part of the bylaws, as presented to the boardss [22:50] irishracer> i second [22:50] ralhn> Excepted. [22:51] darilee> call for vote again. Roxy [22:51] ralhn> All those in favor say aye. [22:51] darilee> aye [22:51] luv4family> aaye [22:51] irishracer> aye [22:51] dmohlsick> aye [22:52] Trisha49> 6aye [22:52] ralhn> aye [22:52] mecosta> aye [22:52] darilee> 7 votes aye 2 absent [22:53] ralhn> So noted. [22:53] irishracer> may we discuss the deadline and possible amendments we feel are needed if any [22:53] ralhn> Yes we may. [22:54] dmohlsick> Let's set the deadline for one week [22:54] *** DebAxt has joined #alhnboard [22:54] mecosta> second [22:54] dmohlsick> Friday April 7, 2000 [22:54] ralhn> Does that sound good to the other committee members? [22:55] Trisha49> 6fine [22:55] darilee> call for the vote and we will tell yah [22:55] ralhn> All those in favor say aye.... [22:55] mecosta> aye [22:55] darilee> aye [22:55] dmohlsick> aye [22:55] Trisha49> 6aye [22:55] ralhn> aye [22:55] irishracer> aye [22:55] luv4family> aye [22:55] darilee> 7 ayes and 2 absent [22:56] ralhn> So moved, Friday April 7, 2000. Thank you Darilee. [22:56] ralhn> Do we still need a second? [22:56] mecosta> I did [22:56] dmohlsick> we had one [22:56] ralhn> Good. [22:57] ralhn> Ok, was there more that you wanted to discuss? [22:57] dmohlsick> Now, how do we make sure we contact everyone? [22:57] dmohlsick> By e-mail with a form to return? [22:57] mecosta> Wasn't a list of members upposed to be made up? [22:57] irishracer> to clarify - we will send membership invitations to all webmasters who are ALHN volunteers as of 4/7/2000? [22:58] darilee> Roxy, Barb and Norm were to compile a list of volunteers. [22:58] luv4family> 13why don't we go ahead and send it out with a dead line of 4/7/2000 [22:59] ralhn> It wasn't done. I tried to work on one myself but it's only partially completed. [22:59] dmohlsick> Is it done, Roxy [22:59] ralhn> No. [22:59] mecosta> Will help with it tomorrow [22:59] ralhn> Not even close to being done. [22:59] darilee> Roxy. Jan and I can do it... [22:59] ralhn> Thank you Darilee and Jan. [23:00] dmohlsick> I can help, if you need me [23:00] irishracer> Lisa - you mean to "current" webmasters and ask that it be answered by 4/7/2000? [23:00] ralhn> Don't start until you find out from me where I ended-up, ok? [23:00] mecosta> kay [23:00] darilee> Sure why not... the more the merrier.... [23:00] luv4family> 13yes [23:00] irishracer> i agree Lisa - good [23:00] ralhn> I've been working on it late at night [23:00] pat_sabin> May I break in here? [23:01] ralhn> Please do, Pat. [23:01] pat_sabin> I think the ByLaws Committee needs to actually amend and post the new Bylaws. [23:01] mecosta> I agree [23:01] ralhn> I do too. [23:02] mecosta> May we adjourn? [23:02] luv4family> 13this leads us to it's hard to be a member if you do not know what you are a member of. [23:02] dmohlsick> second [23:02] ralhn> I don't know, would anybody like to add anything more? [23:02] ralhn> Before we do, is there any old or new business? [23:03] darilee> Roxy we were to address the ALHN lists rules [23:03] mecosta> I don't have it all finished DArilee [23:03] darilee> Jan and I will post it to a page so all board members can look at it [23:03] ralhn> I move that we discuss that at a later date in-that I know how late it is [23:03] mecosta> I need to get the sub and unsub [23:03] Trisha49> 6second [23:03] ralhn> and I know that Jan is not feeling good tonight. [23:04] Trisha49> 3and I am reaslly tired!! [23:04] darilee> So I move to adjourn... [23:04] luv4family> 13second [23:04] Trisha49> 3second [23:04] mecosta> second [23:04] ralhn> Adjourned. [23:04] darilee> all to gether everyone call for the vote [23:04] Trisha49> 3hurray!!!! [23:04] mecosta> aye [23:04] ralhn> aye [23:04] dmohlsick> vote [23:04] darilee> Roxy [23:04] irishracer> aye [23:04] ralhn> aye [23:04] Trisha49> 3aye [23:04] luv4family> 13aye [23:04] darilee> aye [23:04] dmohlsick> aye [23:04] ralhn> aye [23:04] mecosta> nite - I'm going to bed [23:04] ralhn> aye] [23:04] ralhn> Eye [23:04] pat_sabin> aye Session Close: Fri Mar 31 23:04:49 2000 Put on line by, Roxann Gess Smith