..2 N.N. (1470) Winter 1470 - 1530

........+N.N. (1475)?

......3 Gangolf Winter 1502 - 1575

...........4 Theobald* Winter 1527 - 1591

...............5 N.N. (1567) Winter 1567 - 1637/38

.....................+Valentine* Cuntz 1560 - 1630

...................6 Hans Cuntz 1609 - 1686

.........................+Catharine* (1620)? 1620 - 1677

........................7 Apollonia Cuntz 1650 -

..............................+Hans Valentine* Schneider 1649 - 1711

............................8 Johannes* Schneider 1675/76 - 1730

..................................+Magdalena* Hauswirth 1676 - 1758

.................................9 Anna Maria* Schneider 1709/10 - 1774

......................................+Johann Heinrich Schaefer 1702 - 1772

.....................................10 Adam Schaefer 1747 - 1774

...........................................+Catharina Barbara* Bintz 1746/47 - 1817

.........................................11 Maria Elisabetha Schaefer 1773 - 1803

...............................................+Johann Jakob* Brubach 1776 - 1855

..............................................12 Catharina Barbara* Brubach 1801 - 1890

...................................................+Johann Michael* Jung 1802 - 1879

..................................................13 Frederick Young 1830 - 1912

........................................................+Eva Pfeiffer 1840 - 1919

......................................................14 Louisa Young 1863 - 1913

............................................................+August Herman Frank 1854 - 1916

...........................................................15 William Edward Young 1881 - 1970

.................................................................+Julia Viola (Ola) Hodge 1888 - 1956

...............................................................16 Audra Lavada Young 1907 - 1990

......................................................*1st Husband of Louisa Young:

............................8 Hans Martin* Schneider 1678 - 1748

..................................+Maria Margaretha* Roth 1685 -

.................................9 Heinrich* Schneider 1705/06 - 1783

......................................+Maria Catharina* Brubach 1707 - 1740

.....................................10 Maria Elisabeth* Schneider 1739/40 - 1793

...........................................+Johann Ulrich* Rucklos 1737 - 1799

.........................................11 Maria Elisabeth* Rucklos 1779 - 1852

...............................................+Johann Michael* Jung 1776 - 1851

..............................................12 Johann Michael* Jung 1802 - 1879

...................................................+Catharina Barbara* Brubach 1801 - 1890

............................8 Anna Barbara* Schneider 1688 - 1755

..................................+Abraham Brubach 1686 - 1748

.................................9 Johann Jakob Brubach 1722 - 1795

.................................*2nd Wife of Johann Jakob Brubach:

......................................+ Catharina Neuhart 1725 - 1760

.....................................10 David Brubach 1748 - 1805

...........................................+Maria Catharina* Gressen 1752 -

.........................................11 David Brubach 1775 - 1834

...............................................+Catharina Barbara Hunsicker 1779 - 1819

..............................................12 David Brubach 1805 - 1880

...................................................+Philippina Bertram 1806 - 1884

..................................................13 Carolina Brubach 1830 - 1912

........................................................+Oscar Frank 1825 - 1890

......................................................14 August Herman Frank 1854 - 1916

............................................................+Louisa Young 1863 - 1913

......................................................*1st Wife of August Herman Frank:

.....................................*2nd Wife of David Brubach:

...........................................+Catharina Barbara Hunsicker 1779 - 1819

.....................................10 Maria Catharina Brubach 1755 - 1816

.....................................*2nd Husband of Maria Catharina Brubach:

...........................................+Johann Jakob* Brubach 1751 - 1778

.........................................11 Johann Jakob* Brubach 1776 - 1855

...............................................+Maria Elisabetha Schaefer 1773 - 1803

.........................................*2nd Wife of Johann Jakob* Brubach:

.....................................*3rd Husband of Maria Catharina Brubach:

............+N.N. (1504) Staupp 1504 - 1575

...........4 N.N. (1529) Winter 1529 - 1584

................+Hans (Jr.) Jost 1524 - 1601

...............5 Barbara Jost 1564 - 1616

.....................+Marzolph (Marx) Ostertag 1560 - 1619

...................6 Margaret Ostertag 1605 - 1667

.........................+Christophel* Neuhart 1599 - 1654

........................7 Nicolaus Neuhart 1629 - 1674

..............................+Anna Catharine* Schneider 1632 - 1685

............................8 Hans Phillipp* Neuhart 1655 - 1724

..................................+Anna Barbara* Schneider 1659 -

.................................9 Valentine* Neuhart 1679 - 1764

......................................+ Anna Apollonia* Minicus 1690 - 1751

.....................................10 Maria Barbara Neuhart 1721 - 1775

...........................................+Johann Jakob* Brubach 1721 - 1792

.........................................11 Johann Jakob* Brubach 1751 - 1778

...............................................+Maria Catharina Brubach 1755 - 1816

.................................9 Hans Jacob* Neuhart 1695 - 1736

......................................+ Maria Margaretha* Kern 1700 - 1755

.....................................10 Catharina Neuhart 1725 - 1760

...........................................+ Johann Jakob Brubach 1722 - 1795

............................8 Hans Christoph* Neuhart 1661 - 1723

..................................+Susanna Kochert 1665 - 1713

.................................9 Heinrich Neuhart 1691 - 1762

......................................+Maria Catharina* Schied

.....................................10 Anna Margaretha Neuhart 1722 - 1780

...........................................+ Johannes Brubach 1715/16 - 1774

.........................................11 Anna Margaretha Brubach 1757 - 1810

...............................................+Philipp Heinrich Hunsicker 1732 - 1802

..............................................12 Catharina Barbara Hunsicker 1779 - 1819

...................................................+ David Brubach 1775 - 1834

..............................................*2nd Husband of Catharina Barbara Hunsicker:

...................................................+ David Brubach 1748 - 1805

.................................*2nd Wife of Heinrich Neuhart:

.................................*3rd Wife of Heinrich Neuhart:

......................................+Marie Catharine* Schied

.....................................10 Anna Margaretha Neuhart 1722 - 1780

...........................................+ Johannes Brubach 1715/16 - 1774

............................*2nd Wife of Hans Christoph* Neuhart:

........................7 Barbara Neuhart 1635 -

..............................+Hans (III) Kern 1628 - 1674

............................8 Christoph* Kern 1663/64 - 1748

..................................+Salome Catharine* Schied 1663 - 1703

.................................9 Maria Margaretha* Kern 1700 - 1755

......................................+ Hans Jacob* Neuhart 1695 - 1736

............................*2nd Wife of Christoph* Kern:

........................7 Johonnata Neuhart 1642 -

..............................+Hans Jacob* Minicus 1635 - 1689

............................8 Hans Michael* Minicus 1666 - 1704

..................................+Anna Eva (1666)? 1666 - 1716

.................................9 Anna Apollonia* Minicus 1690 - 1751

......................................+ Valentine* Neuhart 1679 - 1764

...................*2nd Husband of Margaret Ostertag:

...................*3rd Husband of Margaret Ostertag:

We can only mention the limited information that we have about our Winter family ancestry. This is given in the above chart. The ancestry prior to Gangolf is apparently uncertain, according to the researcher. That which is given is the most logical connection that the researcher could find.

Hans Winter (abt 1430 - aft 1470) Born in Wingen/Alsace

children: @ N.N. (1470) Winter (abt 1470 - abt 1530)

N.N. (1470) Winter (abt 1470 - abt 1530) Born in Wingen/Alsace, died in Rumbach, Germany

father: Hans Winter (abt 1430 - aft 1470)

wife: N.N. (1475)? married about 1496

children: @ Gangolf Winter (abt 1502 - abt 1575)

It appears that the researcher was not certain that the N.N. (1470) Winter was the father of Gangolf Winter. This, of course, could make the ancestors of N.N. (1470) Winter also uncertain.

Gangolf Winter (abt 1502 - abt 1575) Born and died in Rumbach, Germany

father: N.N. (1470) Winter (abt 1470 - abt 1530)

mother: N.N. (1475)?

wife: N.N. (1504) Staupp (abt 1504 - by 1575) married about 1526

children: Theobald* Winter (1527 - aft 1591)

@ N.N. (1529) Winter (abt 1529 - aft 1584)

Beginning with Gangolf Winter (abt 1502 - abt 1575), however, the linkages are clear. Gangolf, who was named after the patron saint of Rumbach, was mayor of Rumbach by 1558 - 1575. In

about 1526 he married N.N. (1504) Staupp (abt 1504 - by 1575). She appears to be the Bundenthal grist miller's daughter. The record shows they had at least one son, Theobald* Winter (1527 - aft 1591) and at least one daughter, N.N. (1529) Winter (abt 1529 - aft 1584) who was our ancestor.

N.N. (1529) Winter (abt 1529 - aft 1584) Born and died in Rumbach, Germany

father: Gangolf Winter (abt 1502 - abt 1575)

mother: N.N. (1504) Staupp (abt 1504 - by 1575)

husband: Hans (Jr.) Jost (1524 - aft 1601)

children: Hans (Jr.) Jost (1554 - aft 1584)

Prangwitz Jost (1556 - 1591)

@ Barbara Jost (abt 1564 - aft 1616)

We have little more information about our ancestor, N.N. (1529) (abt 1529 - aft 1584), other than she married Hans Jost (1524 - aft 1601) and was the mother of Barbara Jost (abt 1564 - aft 1616).

Theobald* Winter (1527 - aft 1591) Born and died in Rumbach, Germany

father: Gangolf Winter (abt 1502 - abt 1575)

mother: N.N. (1504) (abt 1504 - by 1575)

wife: N.N. (1529) (abt 1529 - aft 1591) married about 1551

children: Jacob Winter (abt 1552 - bef 1627)

Haubert Winter (abt 1554 - aft 1609

Nicolaus Winter (abt 1556 - bef 1608)

Laux Winter (abt 1565 - bef 1616)

Daughter Winter (abt 1567 - March 18, 1638)

Jost Winter (abt 1569 - ?)

As the brother of our direct ancestor, N.N. (1529) (abt 1529 - aft 1584), Theobald* Winter (1527 - aft 1591) and his descendants were our relatives, but not in the direct descendent line. Theobald was noted as being a Rumbach church elder between 1570 and after 1591. A further note states that he was a respected man but became inebriated occasionally.

A further notation states that the Winters were two prominent and well-to-do Rumbach families for 65 years (1558 - 1623). Since all the sons of Theobald* Winter (1527 - aft 1591) inherited property, and a prominent grave in the Rumbach church marks the resting place of the only known daughter, Mrs. Winter, Theobald's wife also must have been from a renowned family. Theobald's name heads the tax list for each year between 1579 - 1591. Theobald's father, Gangolf Winter (abt 1502 - abt 1575) , was mayor of Rumbach beginning sometime before 1558 and through 1575.

1 The"Old" Wagner 1405 - 1465

..2 Peter Wagner 1426 - 1495

......3 Martin Wagner 1478 - 1521

...... *2nd Wife of Martin Wagner:

............+N.N. (1487)? 1487 -

...........4 N.N. (1510) Wagner 1510 - 1567

................+N.N. (1503) Schied 1503 - 1567

...............5 Michael (Sr.) Schied 1528 - 1591

.....................+N.N. (1530)? 1530 - 1591

...................6 Michael (Jr.) Schied 1555 - 1589

.........................+Verena (1558)? 1558 -

........................7 Hans Schied 1590 - 1634

............................8 Hans Stephan* Schied 1632 - 1680

..................................+Margaret Wagner 1635 - 1680

.................................9 Salome Catharine* Schied 1663 - 1703

......................................+Christoph* Kern 1663/64 - 1748

.....................................10 Maria Margaretha* Kern 1700 - 1755

...........................................+Hans Jacob* Neuhart 1695 - 1736

............................ *2nd Wife of Hans Stephan* Schied:

...........4 Jost Wagner 1515 - 1579

................+N.N. (1520)? 1520 - 1580

...............5 Friedrich Wagner 1555 - 1609

.....................+Margaret (1557)? 1557 - 1609

...................6 Theobald Wagner 1580 - 1636

.........................+N.N. (1578) Schoenet 1578 -

........................7 Gangolf Wagner 1604 - 1636

............................8 Margaret Wagner 1635 - 1680

..................................+Hans Stephan* Schied 1632 - 1680

In addition to being one of our oldest known ancestors, the Wagner line was one of the longest running continuous lines in our family. Eight generations of Wagners stretched from about 1405 to sometime after 1680, a period of about 275 years. It began with our oldest known ancestor who was simply known as The "Old" Wagner. Born about 1405, the "Old" Wagner was about 25 years old and was married when the tower of the Rumbach church was built in 1430. The church itself was around 500 years old at the time the tower was built. Money for its construction had been received from the government and it was to serve the purpose of a lookout tower for the town. A tunnel was also dug at the time which connected the tower to a secure location elsewhere in Rumbach. This tunnel would have served the dual purpose of providing escape in case the church and tower came under attach and providing access to the tower if it were occupied by enemy forces. The "Old" Wagner would certainly have witnessed the building of the tower and well may have participated in its construction.

The "Old" Wagner (abt 1405 - aft 1465) Died in Rumbach, Germany after 1465

children: @ Peter Wagner (abt 1426 - abt 1495)

The"Old" Wagner is without a first name. He appears in the records simply as The "Old" Wagner. He was the father of Peter Wagner (1426 - 1495). The oldest name with ties to present-day progeny in Rumbach is WAGNER.

In 1430 the tower of the Rumbach church was built. The "Old" Wagner was a witness to its construction and may have assisted in its erection. The church and the tower were constructed on the highest ground in the village. The tower was built with government funding and served as a lookout tower for the village. An underground tunnel led from the tower, as an escape route, to a secluded area elsewhere in the village.

The "Old" Wagner was born just 55 years, two generations, following the last great strike of the bubonic plague which killed about one third of Europe's population. His grandparents (our ancestors) would have been children or young people at the time and would have been among the lucky ones who escaped the Black Death. His great grandparents could well have been among the victims, however.

Peter Wagner (abt 1426 - abt 1495) Died in Rumbach, Germany

father: The "Old" Wagner (abt 1400 - aft 1465)

wife: unknown married about 1470

children: @ Martin Wagner (abt 1478 - aft 1521)

A son of The "Old" Wagner was Peter Wagner (abt 1426 - abt 1495) who was born about 1426. Peter became mayor of Rumbach around 1460. We do not know how long his tenure as mayor ran. At this time Rumbach was a thriving town of perhaps 500 people. Rumbach would have been an independent village at this time with its own mayor and council. It was located in a small "county" known as Amt Wegelnburg. Amt Wegelnburg contained the villages of Rumbach, Nothweiler, Schoenau and Hirschthal as integral units. The county was small, about the size of a township in the United States and was owned by Duke Stephan. Duke Stephan lived in the Wegelnburg castle which is located just outside Nothweiler which is where he made his headquarters for Amt Wegelnburg.

Village mayors were usually chosen from the leading citizens of the village which suggests that Peter may have been a merchant or an official in his guild, or both. And while we do not want to suggest that Peter may not have attained his position on his own, it seems likely that the Wagner family may have enjoyed some long standing prominence in Rumbach.

Martin Wagner (abt 1478 - aft 1521) Died in Rumbach, Germany

father: Peter Wagner (abt 1426 - abt 1495)

wife #1: N.N. (1480)? (abt 1480 - abt 1510)?

wife #2: N.N. (1487)? (abt 1487 - ?)

children: @ N.N. (1510) Wagner (abt 1510 - bef 1567)

@ Jost Wagner (abt 1515 - bef 1579)

N.N. (1525) Wagner (abt 1525 - 1579)

That the Wagner family was a prominent Rumbach family is further supported by the fact that Peter's son, Martin Wagner (abt 1478 - aft 1521), also became mayor of Rumbach. The records show him to be mayor in 1521 but we do not know how long he may have served. Martin married about 1504 but we do not know to whom. For the purpose of this document, she has been named, N.N. (1504)?. Martin's recorded vocation was that of cartwright or teamster.

Martin had two children who became our ancestors. One was a daughter, N.N. (1510) Wagner (abt 1510 - bef 1567), who truncated her Wagner surname by marrying a Schied. The other was Jost Wagner (abt 1515 - bef 1579).

N.N. (1510) Wagner (abt 1510 - bef 1567)

father: Martin Wagner (abt 1478 - aft 1521)

husband: N.N. (1503) Schied (abt 1503 - 1567)

children: @ Michael (Sr.) Schied (abt 1528 - aft 1591)

N.N. (1510) Wagner (abt 1510 - bef 1567) married N.N. (1503) Schied (abt 1503 - 1567) and were the parents of Michael (Sr.) Schied (abt 1528 - aft 1591).

Jost Wagner (abt 1515 - bef 1579) Jost was born and died in Nothweiler, Germany

father: Martin Wagner (abt 1478 - aft 1521)

wife: N.N. widow (1520)? (abt 1520 - 1580) married about 1545

children: Philipp Wagner (abt 1548 - bef 1609)

Melchior Wagner (abt 1552 - ?)

@ Frederich Wagner (abt 1555 - bef 1609)

With this generation of Wagners, our family line shifts to the village of Nothweiler, the village closest to the Wegelnburg Castle, the home of Duke Stephen, and closest to the seat of the county government. It appears likely that the major part of the Wagner family remained in Rumbach and that only this branch moved to Nothweiler because our ancestral line moved back to Rumbach a few generations later. Jost Wagner (abt 1515 - 1579), married N.N. widow (1520)? (abt 1520 - 1580) which could have been the reason for his move. Both Jost and his wife died in Nothweiler.

Frederich Wagner (abt 1555 - bef 1609) Friedrich was born and died in Nothweiler, Germany

father: Jost Wagner (abt 1515 - bef 1579)

mother: N.N. widow (1520)? (abt 1520 - 1580)

wife: Margaret (1557)? (abt 1557 - aft 1609) married in 1579; died in Rumbach, Germany

children: @ Theobald Wagner (1580 - 1636)

Frederich Wagner (abt 1555 - bef 1609), was the next generation in our Wagner lineage. In 1579 Frederich married a woman whom we know only as Margaret (1557)? (abt 1557 - aft 1609) and they became parents of the next Wagner generation, Theobald Wagner (abt 1580 - abt 1636).

Theobald Wagner (abt 1580 - abt 1636) Theobald was most likely born in Nothweiler but died in Rumbach, Germany

father: Frederich Wagner (abt 1555 - bef 1609)

mother: Margaret (abt 1557 - aft 1609)

wife: N.N. (1578) Schoenet (1578)? (abt 1578 - ?)

children: Marx Wagner (abt 1602 - aft 1609)

@ Gangolf Wagner (abt 1604 - abt 1636)

Michael Wagner (1608 - aft 1609)

Catharine* Wagner (abt 1617 - ?)

Theobald Wagner was listed as a Rumbach day laborer in 1609. He was the son of Friedrich Wagner (c. 1551 - 1609 of Nothweiler). Theobald's mother came as a widow to Rumbach to live with him. She later died at his home sometime after 1609. Theobald's wife was likely a Rumbach native. Theobald married to Schoenet (1578)? (abt 1578 - ?) and had two known children, one of whom was our ancestor, Gangolf Wagner (abt 1604 - abt 1636).

Gangolf Wagner (abt 1604 - abt 1636) Gangolf was born and died in Rumbach, Germany

father: Theobald Wagner (abt 1580 - abt 1636)

children: @ Margaret Wagner (1635 - aft 1680)

We know little about Gangolf Wagner. Likewise his wife is unknown to us. We do not know the cause of death of Gangolf Wagner but in 1636 the bubonic plague struck Rumbach with a resulting great loss of life. We will see many of our 17^th century who died in that year and it can be presumed that most died of the plague.

Margaret Wagner (1635 - aft 1680) Born in Rumbach; died in Bundenthal, Germany

father: Gangolf Wagner (abt 1604 - abt 1636)

husband: Hans Stephan* Schied (abt 1632 - aft 1680)

children: Hans Philipp* Schied (September 7, 1657 - bef 1661)

Ann Margaret* Schied (December 29, 1658 - 1718)

Hans Philipp* Schied (January 1, 1660/61 - ?)

@ Catharine* Schied (April 1, 1663 - ?)

Martin* Schied (abt 1668 - 1722)

Margaret Wagner was born in Rumbach and was an Amt Wegelnburg native. She married Hans Stephan* Schied (1632 - 1680) and changed our ancestral line from Wagner to Schied. By marrying Stephan, she was marrying her half-fourth cousin. This occurred because four generations earlier, N.N. Wagner (abt 1505 - bef 1567) the sister of Jost Wagner (abt 1515 - bef 1579) had married a Schied, N.N. Schied (abt 1503 - bef 1567). This was a case of the typical cross linking of families discussed earlier in this book. This couple had 5 children, including Catharine* Schied (1663 - ? ), our ancestor.

This completes the branch of our Wagner family that began with The "Old" Wagner (abt 1400 - aft 1465) and ended with Margaret Wagner Schied (1635 - aft 1680). There were two other branches of Wagners in some of our other family lines. Both were women who married so the Wagner name was not perpetuated through them.

Barbara Wagner (? - aft 1609)

husband: Valentine Nauert (1574 - 1636)

children: @ Christoph Neuhart (1599 - 1654)

Otilia Neuhart (1605 - aft 1666)

One of the other two Wagner branches was Barbara Wagner (? - aft 1609). Barbara was the first of two wives of Valentine Nauert (1574 - 1636). While we do not know the dates of birth or death for Barbara, we do know these dates for her husband, Valentine Nauert and know that he was born and died in Nothweiler. He remained in Nothweiler all his life becoming church elder and mayor of the town. It is likely then that Barbara was also from Nothweiler which would have put her in that village, at about the same age as Theobald Wagner. So, it is likely that she was a member of the same Wagner family we discussed above.

Catharina Wagner

husband: Hans Jakob Brubach (November 18, 1678 - 1755)

children: Susanna Catharina Brubach (April 2, 1705 - ?)

@ Maria Catharina Brubach (July 5, 1707 - 1740)

Johannes Brubach (March 1, 1710/11 - ?)

Maria Elisabetha Brubach (February 17, 1713/14 - 1751)

Johannes Brubach (February 29, 1715/16 - October 16, 1774)

Maria Margaretta Brubach (January 27, 1718/19 - 1745)

@ Johann Jakob Brubach (May 4, 1721 - October 10, 1792)

Christoph Brubach (1724 - 1758)

The second Wagner branch that we can not connect to our earlier Wagner line was Catharina Wagner, wife of Hans Jakob Brubach (November 18, 1678 - 1755). Catharina could have been related to our other Wagner ancestors, but she lived subsequent to all of our other known Wagner ancestors and there is no time or place coincidence, as in the case of Barbara Wagner (? - aft 1609) above, to help us connect her with the others. Catharina Wagner and Hans Jakob Brubach (November 18, 1678 - 1755) had 8 children, one of whom was Maria Catharina Brubach (1707 - 1740).

At the time that this is being written in 1999, I contacted a 5^th cousin, Andrea Kindelberger, who lives in Rumbach, Germany to see if any Wagner families still live there. Andrea reports that indeed there is at least one Wagner family in Rumbach and that the current mayor is a Wagner.