Subject: Garvey Gen.
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:54:37 -0500 (EST)
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Wondered if I might ask some advice. My mother's grandparents were Thomas and Mary Garvey. According to US census came to Ohio in 1860 from Ireland. That's all we know. Death certificates don't mention birthplaces, parents, anything. Any advice on where to start? Did most Garveys come from County Clare? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.
Subject: Irish ancestor search
Date: 24 Nov 1997 16:05:25 -0800
From: [email protected] (P Dominie)
To: [email protected]
A novice genealogist is looking for guidance in starting a search for Irish ancestors. All I know at this point is the my great-great grandparents , Daniel and Margaret Toomey (b. 1816 and 1821) came to upper New York State from Ireland, arriving here in 1878. I've been watching postings, and get the feeling it is going to be next to impossible to track them without better dates. Any help to steer me in the right direction would be appreciated.
The 1st son was usually named after the father's father
The 2nd son was usually named after the mother's father
The 3rd son was usually named after the father
The 4th son was usually named after the father's eldest brother
The 5th son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother
The 1st daughter was usually named after the mother's mother
The 2nd daughter was usually named after the father's mohter
The 3rd daughter was usually named after the mother
The 4th daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister
The 5th daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister
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Census records for 1901 & 1911.
Civil registration after After 1 April 1845 for non-Catholics and after 1 January 1864 for Catholics.
Griffithıs Primary Valuation between 1848 and 1864;
Tithe Appointment Books between 1823 and 1837.
Parish registers pre-civil registration.
Some of these have been filmed by the Church of the Latter Day sSaints and are catalogued in their Family History Libraries world-wide. Where the index or record has been filmed, one can order it to be read at the Centre. Here are film numbers for the indexes:
Civil Registration:1865-1921 LDS Films 101 041-101 079
Northern Ireland:1921-958 LDS Films 231 962 - 231 969
Southern Ireland:1921-1958 LDS Films 101 229 - 101 240
The Foreign Register of births, deaths, and marriages 1864-1923 LDS Film 101 764
Estate records, military records, deeds and tax records, probate records, compiled family histories, pedigrees and biographies.
The LDS Family History Centre catalogs will help you locate these. Also look at "Irish Roots Magazine" who runs regular columns on lesser used sources in Ireland such as records of evicted tenants, tithe defaulters and so on.
The estate records in the two major Dublin repositories, The National Archives and The National Library, are not catalogued in detail. The only comprehensive guide is given in Richard Hayes' "Manuscript Sources for the Study of Irish Civilization" and its supplements, copies of which can be found in the National Library and National Archives. Detailed maps were made of many estates in Ireland. Most of these maps are among the thousands of items listed in "Manuscript Sources for the Study of Irish Civilization" by Richard Hayes. "Manuscript Sources..." (aka Hayes index) has about 15 volumes and was an expensive series of books to buy. You will only find them in a large library. Many of the items indexed have never been microfilmed and are only available in Dublin in the National Archives, National Library Manuscripts Department, etc.
Two publications: O.H. Hussey de Burgh's "The Landowners of Ireland" provides a guide to the major landowners, the size of their holdings, and where in the country they were situated. "Landowners in Ireland: Return of owners of land of one acre and upwards ...," (London: 1876)
Once you have a county, then you need to find a townland, parish etc. Once you know the county you can also go straight to a heritage centre and pay a lot of money for them to do the work.
This site tells you this and more
Most of your Irish research must be done offline, but some useful online sites include:
Sites like Cyndi Howe's on the internet
http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/ireland.htm will tell you how.
You need to be prepared that it will be slow, but you will learn a lot - and must - along the way because research in Ireland is very different.
Other Online sources:
http://www.bess.tcd.ie/irlgen/clare.htm & similar for each county
The following links start up telnet sessions from your computer If your browser is properly configured to start a telnet session. If you do not have telnet, there is a connection to a public access Hytelnet software at http://www.cc.ukans.edu/hytelnet_html/START.TXT.html
Note: some Library servers have limited or restricted hours of access.
telnet://darcy.ucg.ie University College Galway telnet://library.tcd.ie Trinity College, Dublin telnet://library.ucd.ie University College Dublin telnet://library.ucc.ie University College Cork telnet://library.dcu.ie Dublin City University telnet://library.ul.ie University of Limerick telnet://library.may.ie St.Patrick's College Maynooth telnet://220.127.116.11 The Linen Hall Library, Belfast telnet://lib.qub.ac.uk The Queen's University Belfast telnet://library.ulst.ac.uk University of Ulster
Unfortunately there are as yet very few resources actually searchable online. Find links to these at:
Ireland, Antrim Co. 1851 Census
Ireland, Limerick, Collectors of Poll Tax, 1660-61
Ireland, Limerick, Directory -- 1769, 1788
Ireland, Ship Passenger Lists, 1803 -- another list found here
Ireland, Ship Passenger Lists to Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
Ireland, Ulster Genealogical & Historical Guild, Subscribers' Interest Database
Beagh Co. Galway Assorted cemetary/parish records
Australian Transportation Records database Easier to use on-line than in the National Archives.
Griffith's Valuation for Brosna & Castleisland, Co. Kerry, 1852
Passenger list of the 'Abysssinia' from Liverpool, 1872
Compilation of pre-1845 Irish immigrants to North America
Contents lists for Albert Casey's O'Kief, Coshe Nang Records for Sliabh Luachra
The Irish in 19th-century Portsmouth, NH
Irish Emigrants (Andrew Morris) A very large listing
Irish Genealogical Society, Minnesota Assorted resources
Leitrim-Roscommon townland database
The National Archives of Ireland Genealogy Page is at:
GRENHAM'S Irish Recordfinder
GRENHAM'S Irish Recordfinder is an expert system for genealogical research on Irish records. It is designed to allow someone with no knowledge of genealogical records to obtain a detailed custom-made analysis of all Irish records relevant in researching a particular ancestor.
A useful site for Irish research: http://genealogy.org/~ajmorris/ireland/
When all else fails:
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