Log 33a

Logs from channel 33 Fianna Meetings

Logs for October
November 3, 1997 November 10, 1997 November 17, 1997
November 24, 1997
December 1, 1997

*** chirho changes topic to "FIANNA MEETING !!"
<chirho> ******************** log on
*** Angus ([email protected]) has joined #Fian
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<chirho> Hello! :)
<chirho> jande, congratulations!
<chirho> Angus, glad to see you here :)
-> [chirho] PING
Session Close: Mon Nov 03 21:18:14 1997

At this point apparently the VU server again went down!
Folks tried to get on afternet (unable to get on),
to get back on school server (rots o'ruck, charlie!),
and to get on the IIGS server (no one there)
and a few finally gathered on DALnet, #Fian:

Session Start: Mon Nov 03 21:28:26 1997
*** Now talking in #Fian
<marmar> Hi, Rigfennid, and welcome to your first meeting as Rig
*** Rigfennid ([email protected]) has left
#Fian
<marmar> Oh, and chirho, hi.
<TomG> Rig, going to be cozy tonight I think
<SAM> Your way sounds fine to me. I'm working on it already.
<marmar> Chirho, I have the cushion you lent me ready for when
I'm pushed off. How are You? Good trip?
<chirho> A bit weary from that last spin in cyber space!
<chirho> wonder how many will find us? just saw mugs on ICQ,
she's going to try to come
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<marmar> That was a week ago? Or different trip?
<Mugs> Hi gang
<chirho> Hello Mugs!
<marmar> hi, mugs
<chirho> marmar, you mean the real trip with the eight hour
rides..just go home a couple of hours ago. Trip was good
<chirho> Where's Rig?
<chirho> Tom, ops, please?
<marmar> Yes, Chirho, the real trip. Of course you are tired
* marmar slides back cushion to chirho
<Mugs> Did everyone else have trouble getting on tonight
<TomG> Sorry, I'm here now
<SAM> I did. Tom helped me.
<chirho> yes, mugs, I'd been there and got knocked off..
<marmar> Yes, tried webmaster com., then dal.net, and was
successful
<Mugs> I kept knocking but no body let me in :-(
<chirho> If Rig isn't back in a couple more, I'll try webmaster
again...
* marmar pats mugs on back and sympathises
* Mugs just smiles and nods
<chirho> thanks for the cushion...just keep it away from my head
so I don't fall asleep :)
<chirho> I'm going to go try webmaster...if I don't return we
can assume it's open! :)
Session Close: Mon Nov 03 21:35:57 1997

Session Start: Mon Nov 03 21:37:10 1997
*** Now talking in #Fian
<chirho> no good :(
<chirho> Guess we need to meet here.
<SAM> If anyone's looking for an immigration 1847-1871, I have
the Irish Passenger lists in front of me.
<chirho> Mugs, SAM, how did your meeting go?
<Mugs> I thing it went rather well
<chirho> Did you pick a rig?
<chirho> and when will you meet?
<Mugs> yes its me...surprise
<Mugs> We met last night
<chirho> congratulations
<marmar> Well, I am loooking for an immigration, but I bet you
don't mean from Ireland Addelaide, South Australia. :-)
<Mugs> and will meet every SuNDAY
<chirho> At what time?
<Mugs> at 9 EST
<chirho> Will post that on pages. Thank you :)
<SAM> Correct, marmar.
<chirho> marmar, did your small group meet?
<Mugs> I wonder if we should change to Dalnet?
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<SAM> I wasn't surprised Mugs.
<chirho> Rig WAS here,
<chirho> welcome jande and congratulations!
<marmar> Congrats., Mugs on being a rig.
<chirho> I was just asking marmar about how your group went
<Mugs> tks
<jande> hi everyone. thanks chirho! are we having a Fianna
meeting?
<jande> hi marmar!
<chirho> Trying to.... Rig was here, no one can get on
webmaster...
<chirho> hmmm, wonder if she went to afternet? We'd talked
about trying that.
<marmar> Yes, chirho. On Saturday PT 4pm, elected jande as rig
and divided up the vital records into the four ancient
kingdoms and one person doing an intro to what the LDS have
on film.
<jande> i was one and kept wondering where everbody was.
<marmar> Hi, jande. Please correct my brief account for chirho.
<jande> sorry, on.
<chirho> good marmar. Is that when your group will continue to
meet?
* marmar pokes jande to answer
<jande> i think we might need to change the time we meet, so
that bowler won't have to stay up into the wee hours of the
morning.
<TomG> Chirho, do I need to do something to switch the @ over to
your name?
<jande> marmar might have to get up and drink coffee in front of
the computer monitor.
<chirho> TomG, right click on my name, click control and click
click give ops
<marmar> Yes, even three hours before would be ok, that's 7 am
for me.
<chirho> So you'd meet at 8 pm?
*** marmar has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
*** SAM has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
<chirho> ouch!
<TomG> It says "ops" but doesn't change it
<jande> oh no!!
<chirho> TomG, try again. Right click on me, then control then
give ops
*** TomG sets mode: -o TomG
<TomG> but I can deop
<jande> no, chirho, we'd meet between noon and 1 pm MST.
<chirho> okay, that mkes sense :)
<chirho> mamkes
<chirho> makes
<TomG> did it but no luck
<chirho> whew!!!!
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<chirho> Okay, TomG, we'll just keep on a keepin on here :)
<chirho> wb mar
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<mar> I was kicked off, had to change my identity and clamber
back. Where's that cushion?
<chirho> Hello!
*** mar has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
<Mugs> wb woodchuck
<chirho> oops, they took her again!
<jande> shoot!
<Woodchuck> Me, too, mar. I USED to be SAM!
<Mugs> This nick thing can really be a problem
<jande> are there problems in the links tonight.
<chirho> One of the reasons we talked about afternet.
*** Woodchuck has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
<chirho> rats!
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<chirho> wb marmar
* chirho gives marmar the cushion :) Here, rest your bones
<jande> get out the glue, marmar.
<Mugs> stick some glue to your chair marmar
<marmar> Yes, they did. Did you see me scream?
<chirho> nooooooo!
*** marmar has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
*** SAM ([email protected]) has joined #Fian
<chirho> Hi! wb
*** Vesta ([email protected]) has joined #fian
<Mugs> hold on tighter Sam!
<Vesta> hi guys!
<chirho> Hello!
<SAM> Now I'm Sam again! I'm tired of all these changes. And
they've killed marmar again
<Mugs> Hi vesta
*** SAM has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
<Vesta> hi mugs :)
<Vesta> anything interesting going on here, tonight?
<jande> there they go again!
<Mugs> Are you here for the Fian meeting Vesta?
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<chirho> And are you the Vesta on the Irish lists?
<chirho> wb marm
<Vesta> no... don't know what that is!
<marm> I'm back. DO we have a plan?
* chirho hands marm the cushion
<Vesta> i'm probably interupting something here...
<chirho> Shall we try afternet portlalnd?
<Vesta> so i guess, i'll leave now
* Mugs gives marm a big warm hug
<chirho> vesta, no more than the nickserve is interrupting!
<marm> Thanks, Mugs
<chirho> goodby Vesta, thanks.
<Vesta> lol
<Vesta> i see
<Vesta> bye guys!
<Mugs> bye vesta
<marm>
<Vesta> see you later :)
<Vesta> bye mugs
<chirho> Well, shall we try the school again?
<Vesta> bye chirho
*** Vesta ([email protected]) has left #fian
<chirho> or continue this bumpy ride?
<marm> Shall we try afternet portalned (is that it?) if this
starts to play up again?
<Mugs> You go chirho and we'll try to wait here
<chirho> okay. Hope to find you once again! BYYYYYYYEEEEE!
Session Close: Mon Nov 03 21:55:56 1997

Again, no access either place! So back to DALnet:

Session Start: Mon Nov 03 21:57:47 1997
*** Now talking in #Fian
<chirho> no good :(
<Mugs> Sam do you know how to change your name now you are here
<Woodchuck> I'm beginning to feel schizo.
<chirho> can't get on VU and can't get on afternet.newwave.net
*** Woodchuck has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
<Mugs> type /nick "newname" and put
<marm> Chirho, is there an urgenat message for us all. Or do we
go to the Fianna study group bb?
<chirho> Is there any other business?
<chirho> marm ????
<Mugs> thats as far as I got last time and she got kicked off.
lol
<marm> We lost our Rig. too...
<marm> marm is my mew name, chirho.
<chirho> Well, maybe she's someplace with some of the others...
guess we'll have a double log!
<chirho> marm, you asked about urgent message or bulletin board?

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<chirho> wb
<marm> ok, goes with our other multiple identities on this
channel.
<Mugs> its your nick thats geting you kicked out sam
<SAM> Why, Mugs? I get kicked off as Woodchuck too.
*** SAM has quit IRC (Killed (services.dal.net (NickServ
Enforcement)))
<chirho> sam, try snigglefritz
<chirho> rats!
<Mugs> some one else on this server must have it too
<marm> Yes, chirho, I meant in case we all fall into blcak holes
again, should we look on the BB for any messages for you -
that you couldn't get to us today?
<Mugs> too slow again
<chirho> don't have any message marm :(
<Mugs> lol chirho
<Mugs> thats too hard to spell
<chirho> will put up logs as soon as I can collect em
<chirho> need to make cMcJkool!
<marm> Ok, then should we just say meet again next week? Jande,
what do you think?
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<chirho> wb McJ
<jande> sure, that's fine.
<marm> Hi, McJ.
<McJ> I'm trying again. I'm "Sam, alias "Woodchuck" alias McJ
<jande> maybe we need to send out an e-mail of all the places to
check for a meeting room if we have these problems again.
<Mugs> thats the problem with using different Irc servers Sam
<chirho> we're trying to get together to work on that!
<marm> I have just had my best laugh all day, Sam/Woodchuck/McJ/S
nigglefritz...
<Mugs> your nick is good on one but may be taken on another
server
<McJ> I've had that happen, but they always send me a message to
tell me to change it.
<chirho> jande had a question about logs, anyone else interested
in how to do it and how to find it?
<marm> Yes, a list of fall-back channels would be good.
<McJ> No one ever "killed" me for it.
<chirho> I only know it for mIRC. logging, that is
<Mugs> There's a first time for everything Sam. lol
<marm> I can log on Mirc under File menu.
<chirho> To find a log, check in your general options, 4th
little icon, tab logging. At the bottom it tells you where it
has stored your logs.
<marm> Things seem to have settled down.
<chirho> you can change it there if you wish, but not when
you're trying to save a log!
<chirho> any other questions about logs?
<chirho> Any other questions at all?
<chirho> Does everyone understand lesson three?
<chirho> any questions on lesson 3?
<chirho> any questions on lesson 4?
* marm gives an exhausted sigh
<TomG> Just read the help file and listed you under auto/op but
still no luck
<Mugs> I haven't been able to get to classroom
<Mugs> It just keeps shutting down my Netscape
<chirho> Note, we have a test which will be available the 5th of
the month!
<McJ> Haven't read it yet. Busy doing immigration.
<TomG> Haven't seen it yer
<McJ> I'll copy and forward to you Mugs.
<chirho> TomG, don't worrry...can't fix it for now. We're doing
okay. :)
<Mugs> thankks Sam
<marm> I was saddened to read about the former student who has
stolen Marthe's lessons. Is that the story?
<chirho> sure sounded like it :( frown
<jande> test? we've never had a test before.
<Mugs> :-O
<Mugs> stole her lessons?
<chirho> I know! Wonder what kind of test?
<TomG> pop quiz
<jande> how could the lessons be stolen. . . weren't they
copyrighted someway?
<marm> A test on lessons 1,2 & 3. Oh, deat those search engines
again: 200, 000 results to choose from!
<chirho> BUT copyright is not international
<jande> marm, where'd you hear about this?
<chirho> marm, and lesson 4!
<chirho> jande, it's in the lesson 4 administrative stuff
<marm> jande, copyright does not prevent stealing. I think it
just measn that Marthe can prosecute. I think.
<chirho> And that only in the USA!
<marm> jande it is in Marthe's lesson 4, and she reminds us of
the copyright.
<jande> i guess i'd better look at it. i was too busy today.
<chirho> Any further questions? Any further business?
<Mugs> I think not Chirho
<marm> I came across some lesson from Diana Hanson on the net.
Is that the one referred to? Haven't looked at them yet.
<chirho> motion to adjourn?
<marm> No further questions, chirho.
<chirho> marm, Diana Hanson's lessons are not stolen from
Marthe. Someone "in another country" stole the lessons
* marm warms a cup of cocoa for chirho who needs to sleep
<chirho> ADJOURN. Everyone is welcome to stay and chat!
<Mugs> good night Tomg
* chirho gives an 3Irish 3good luck hug 10to 3� 3� 3� 3� 3� 3�
3� jande 3� 3� 3� 3� 3� 3� 3�
<jande> thanks so much for all you help chirho!!
<marm> but the wind has dropped. Pity, because I must go now.
Oh, jande, did you need me to contact Pat?
* chirho says congrats rig jande!
<McJ> I'm fine Mugs. I'll go copy Lesson 4 for you now.
* chirho gives an 3Irish 3good luck hug 10to 3� 3� 3� 3� 3� 3�
3� Mugs 3� 3� 3� 3� 3� 3� 3�
<TomG> oh Mugs, let me know if I need to resend the file
<Mugs> that would be great Sam
*** TomG has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
<McJ> Bye everyone.
<Mugs> tom I will just as soon as I check
<chirho> bye McJ
*** McJ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
<Mugs> g'night sam
<chirho> good night all :)
<jande> marm, i just sent her an email and chirho is helping me
figure out sending the log.
<Mugs> night Chirho
Session Close: Mon Nov 03 22:16:29 1997

An email from RIGFENNID SplitLevelHead - inviting all to try IIGS again!

On IIGS:
Session Start: Mon Nov 03 22:17:40 1997
*** Now talking in #Fian
<Rigfennid> hey!
<Rigfennid> what a disaster!
<chirho> Hello!
<chirho> couldn't get on anywhere but DALnet
* Rigfennid shakes her head in utter despair
<chirho> and kept bouncing names out
<chirho> anyone here but the two of you?
<Rigfennid> why does this keep happening on our might?
<chirho> (Hi, there Angus, sorry, was in a rush!)
<Rigfennid> Moran just left
<chirho> We have a report from Mugs and one from jande
<Rigfennid> oh!
<Angus> I must have missed her. I saw you there. My eyesight
must be getting bad. Hi Chirho. We were just talking about
you. I got on through IRC rootsweb.
<Rigfennid> when did this happen?
<chirho> Shall I go ahead and post that log?
<chirho> Rig, we ended up on DALnet, and some stayed there while
I roamed around trying to find you
<Rigfennid> i tried that first, but thought it might be too
unstable, and decided against it
<chirho> Since you'd been there when some got there, we ended up
staying there, since we couldn't find you
<Rigfennid> dumb move, i guess
* Rigfennid has been an idiot
<chirho> I think this is a better idea... maybe we should just
hold a couple of IRC classes
<chirho> and insist that folks come here?
<Rigfennid> sounds good to me
<chirho> couldn't get on portland afternet, either....
<chirho> We could just start here....
<Rigfennid> nope, me neither
<chirho> Now when to have IRC classes?
<Rigfennid> i have no clue
<chirho> DALnet is pretty stable usually - except the nick
server... nasty old thing!
<Rigfennid> and after all the trouble i went to to register the
room...
<Rigfennid> and figure out how to set up the aop's
<chirho> What if we ask for folks who don't have IRC to email
one of us?
<Rigfennid> can't even use the stinkin' thing
<chirho> Good experience for you!
<Rigfennid> and we send them -- what?
<chirho> I know, it's irritating!
<Rigfennid> oh, you mean for instruction
<chirho> and work out a time or two to do an IRC class?
<chirho> yep
<Rigfennid> i've got the time periods before meetings on Mon &
Thurs
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<opossum> Hi guys
<Rigfennid> H'lo
<chirho> And we could just go ahead and overload the school
server as they learn !!!
<chirho> welcome opossum!
<Rigfennid> if they/we can get in, that is! *G*
<Rigfennid> and i do mean all day before meetings
<chirho> Or use #Fian DALnet..
<chirho> opossum, do you have a report from your group?
<Rigfennid> well we better make a choice... there, or here?
<chirho> If you give it now, I can get it into the log!
<opossum> I am beginning to think we should meet over here if we
could get Java users to try an IRC program!!
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<Rigfennid> i get here about 9am pst... and don't leave until
many many hours later
<chirho> Rig, here for meetings ONCE THEY HAVE a chance to learn
IRC. Not fair before
<opossum> Everytime I can't get connected I come over her to
check my connection
<chirho> opossum, another great mind!
<Rigfennid> no, i meant the choice between here/dalnet
<chirho> Welcome, marmar
<Rigfennid> i think this is fine
<opossum> There are usually about five ppl here
<opossum> :)
<chirho> here
<chirho> Possum, FIAN 1? report?
<marmar> Hi, everyone. I have just left dal.net and chirho,
where we had a rough time. Will your chat be posted? We did
not know you were here. ALas :-(
<opossum> This server is not likely to be overloaded
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<Rigfennid> might there be any problem with the amount of ppl we
could have?
<jande> hi, folks.
<Rigfennid> h'lo
<chirho> hi!
<opossum> Fian 1 report . Not much happening
<Rigfennid> well, i sent the message as a cattle call to regroup
here...
<marmar> Is this a biggies meeting. I just saw SLH's e-mail and
hurried back to IRC.
<opossum> we need to get together to elect permanent rigfennid
<marmar> Hi. jande. We must stop meeting like this.
<opossum> No marmar we're not very BIG:)
<opossum> This meeting is for anybody who can get here
<Rigfennid> meant to be a status check, see how everyone is
doing, find out who the group leaders are...
<Rigfennid> help those that are confused, if we can
<jande> fian 2 met on Saturday and made some initial decisions
and assignments.
<opossum> Some ppl have not indicated when is the best time to
meet!!
<Rigfennid> oh, good!!
<Rigfennid> for #2, that is...
* Rigfennid applauds the progress...
<opossum> However I am hearing from Quixote...
<opossum> Maybe we could just vote by email!!
<Rigfennid> whatever works
<opossum> I have java users
<chirho> We've been talking about getting them to use IRC
<jande> someone assigned to our group has never responded to
emails and some come back saying she is unknown. i assumed
it was an aol problem, but maybe not.
<Rigfennid> we've got to convert them...
<chirho> Rig could teach a class
<chirho> jande, who's the unknown?
<jande> does anybody know "Nom"?
<jande> Nom
<chirho> NormaNisco...she was posting to the newsgroups with the
same email
<chirho> and only one got sent back to me, the latest one...
<Rigfennid> only me teaching?
<jande> do you know which newsgroups, chirho?
<opossum> Well she seems like an eagar member chirho
<opossum> Maybe just a server prob
<chirho> GENIRE, IRELAND-L, and I think FIANNA...a couple of
weeks back
<chirho> think it's probably AOL on the fritz again it was, you
know
<opossum> All they really have to do is figure our how to
connect!!
<Rigfennid> nothing new there
<chirho> And download, and install....
<Rigfennid> so *can* someone on aol use a separate chat client
<opossum> Can learn about pop-ups colors later
<chirho> and that's frightening when you're new
<Rigfennid> finding out for i friend i want to talk to more often
<jande> i haven't received anything from the GENIRE list for
awhile, i'm afraid i got unsubbed. Anybody have an address??
<chirho> jande, address for what?
<jande> to resub to GENIRE.
<chirho> rootsweb.com
<chirho> lists by country
<opossum> Jande digest or list?
<Rigfennid> is 30k too big for a webpage file?
<jande> thanks chirho, you're a wealth of info. :)
<chirho> ugh! 30k! Take forever and a year to load!
<opossum> jande I will email to Fianna-L tomorrow.
<Rigfennid> that's ONE part of EIGHT
<opossum> Some other ppl are also wondering how to sub to genire.
<jande> email what opossum?
<opossum> Will that be OK?
<Rigfennid> i really don't wanna divide it up more
<jande> oh that'd be good.
<opossum> genire address
<opossum> I think I am going back to list mode
<jande> i have to go, i have a sick cat.
* marmar moves to door and slips out quietly
<Rigfennid> bye...
<jande> i'll see you soon.
<jande> bye
<chirho> Will post on "yellow pages" - tomorrow night, how to
sub to IRELAND-L, GENIRE, Scotch-Irish -- FIANNA-l is already
there
<Rigfennid> good show
*** marmar has quit IRC (Ircle was here!)
<opossum> Those irritating little envelopes are driving me up
the wall!!!
*** jande ([email protected]) has left #fian
<chirho> envelopes?
<opossum> Good idea chirho1
* Rigfennid will try again, since i didn't get an answer...
<opossum> Better than posting to Fianna-L
<Rigfennid> so *can* someone on aol use a separate chat client?
<opossum> Yes Rig I do think they can
<chirho> No idea, Rig, but I don't like AOL anyway! Think
maybe....
<opossum> They used to make it very difficult I think
<Rigfennid> i wouldn't know anything about it, but one of my
best buds is on it
<Rigfennid> i want to talk to him more often
<opossum> Just what I've read of course since I have always used
an ISP
<Rigfennid> he needs a 'real' net access
<opossum> I think the online services have all lightened up on
IRC
<chirho> I spent about 15 hours of the free trial and trashed
it (AOL). Too much trash too easy to get to....
<Rigfennid> but up in Redding, it's 'get what you can', i
think...
<chirho> Okay, I'm going to go and try to turn this into a
log...add newsgroups to yellow pages...tell everyone to come
here for main group?
<Rigfennid> amen to that!
<opossum> Has anybody received anymore guidance from Marthe on
this Guide thing?
<Rigfennid> and they can do whatever they want for fians
<opossum> Is it going up on one site?
<Rigfennid> N�l fhios agam... (I don't know...)
<chirho> no, opossum...just that we're to do a 5 to 15 min chat
about it.... :(
<Rigfennid> hopefully NOT the first to go??
<opossum> I saw that in the lesson
<chirho> I'm sitting on MY hands!
<opossum> Who wants to talk?:)
<Rigfennid> nobody volunteer us for the 1st session!
<opossum> Right
<Rigfennid> uh, you got me
<opossum> No volunteering :)
* Rigfennid is glad we're all in agreement, here... *g*
<opossum> I really have decided on a plan
<Rigfennid> Hey, Angus! How ya doin' over there?
<Rigfennid> oh?
* chirho says my eyes are closing slllooowly, closing...closing!
G'night all!
<Rigfennid> O�che mhaith, chirho! (Good night, chirho!)
<Rigfennid> Codladh s�mh, chirho! (A pleasant sleep, chirho!)
<Angus> Still here listening to the good talk.
<chirho> zzzzzzzzzzz
<chirho> bye all!
Session Close: Mon Nov 03 22:44:59 1997

Sorry, folks, for all the switching in and out. We have made
some decisions, as you see, however, and hope next week will
be much better! Everyone will be getting a MOTD about the
changes. Good night!

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