CARTWRIGHT, Horace George-[28]

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Birth Certificate Detail: for Horace George Cartwright. 1902 6d/15 or 18, Sep Qtr	Birth Registration district Birmingham. 1902 birth in the sub-district of Ladywood in the county of Birmingham Date: 22 June 1902 Place: 56 Steward Street UD Name: Horace George Cartwright Sex: Boy Father: Francis Cartwright, Brewers Drayman Mother: Florence Cartwright formerly Smith Informant: Florence Cartwright, mother, 56 Steward Street Registered: 28 July 1902 Registrar: Thomas Maryon
Military Record. This is an abridged record of service. The Ministry of Defence do not send original documents.	392297 Sub Conductor Horace George CARTWRIGHT Indian Army Service Corps Enlisted at Birmingham into the Corps of the Dragoons Regular Army ( as No. D/33997 ) and posted to Depot 23.06.19 Posted to Cavalry Depot 25.06.19 Posted to 7 th Dragoon Guards 26.06.19 Posted to 4/7th Dragoon Guards 13.10.19 Appointed Unpaid Lance Corporal 14.04.20 Awarded 3rd Class Army Certificate of Education 20.07.20 Appointed Paid Lance Corporal 16.09.20 Awarded 2nd Class Army Certificate of Education 23.02.21 Appointed Acting Corporal 18.09.21 Promoted Corporal 18.09.21 Appointed Lance Sergeant 06.02.25 Extended Service to complete 12 years with the Colours 18.11.25 Transferred to the Cavalry of the Line ( as No. 392297) 31.07.27 Promoted Sergeant 27.07.28 Extended Service to complete 21 years with the Colours 30.07.29 Posted to the Royal Dragoon Guards 05.10.29 Transferred to Indian Unattached List for employment as Sergeant in the Indian Army Service Corps 23.11.29 Awarded Ist Class Army Certificate of Education 23.03.32 Promoted Staff Sergeant 23.11.32 Promoted Sub Conductor 23.11.38 This is the last entry on file, probably because he joined the Indian Army. Additional details taken from the record; Declared age on enlistment; 18 years 2 months. Date of birth recorded as 21st June 1901. Birthplace; Hockley, Birmingham, Warwickshire. Address on enlistment; 7/39 Villa Street, Hockley. Trade on enlistment; Stamper ( not clear ). His next of kin was initially recorded as his Aunt, Maud CLARKE. He married Doris Kate Pretoria CLIFT at Mussoorie, India on 11th September 1928. Children recorded; Doreen May Ann born at Murree on 1st May 193 4. Margaret Rose Pretoria born at Quetta on 15th November 1937. Address on discharge; 44 Whitemore Street, Hockley. Physical description on enlistment; Height; 5 ft. 6 ins. Weight; 123 lbs. Chest; 35 1/2ins. Complexion; Fresh Colour of eyes; Brown. Colour of hair; Dark Brown. Religion; Church of England.
RECORD OF SERVICES -- OFFICERS -- INDIAN SERVICES. ABRIDGED VERSION OF MILITARY RECORD.	Horace George Cartwright of the RIASC (Royal Indian Army Service Corp) Personal No. S.J. 218, type of commission E.C.O Born Birmingham, England 21.6.1901, Nationality English, Religion C of E ------------------------------- Previous Service 4th/7th Dragoon Guards 23.6.1919 to 5.10.1929 (10 years and 103 days) Royals 6.10.1929 to 22.11.1929 (47 days) RIASC 23.11.1929 to 12.9.1941 (11 years 297 days) ------------------------------- Ranks Ty/Lieutenant 13.9.1941 Gazette Notification (GN) Gazette of India no 1485/41 A/ Captain 13.9.41 GN D.O. pt no 8/60 of 1942 Captain 13.12.41 GN I.A.O 2117/1942 A/Major 5.1.43 GN I.A.O 858/1943 W/Lieutenant 26.3.43 GN I.A.O 6/AP/1943 Ty/Capt 27.5.43 GN 6/AP/1943 Ty/Maj & Ws/Capt 14.11.1945 GN O2E (I) Pt IIO No 139 Dated 21.2.1946 ------------------------------- Nature of Employment during service Instructor (School),RIASC,13.9.41-26.3.43 Quartermaster, VCO's School, 26.3.43 Instructor, VCO'S School 25.5.43 Posted from VCO's school to I.S.S.D, Allahabad Assumes Command Posted to HQ Lucknow Dist Rgt RIASC From Allahabad 4.11.45 Appointed A/Major HQ Lucknow 4.11.45 Posted to No. 9 Ind Res Sup Depot18.2.46 To HQ Uttar Prakesh Area 23.12.46 Assumed Command S.S.D Allahabad 1/1/47 Assumed Command 40 Sup Pl 1.7.47 Posted to 626 Coy RIASC 40 Sup Pl 13.7.47 Retains T/Major 18 Feb 1948 Departs for UK on Empire Brent. ------------------------------- Qualifications and Exams passed Transport, at Poona, 13.10.23 Small Arms, at Pachmari, 3/1928 Anti gas, at Belgaum, 31/3/36 Supply Transport, R'Pindi, 6.1.30 Deptl Exam to Warrant Rank, Quetta, 23.9.37 ------------------------------- Personal Married 11.9.1928 at Mussorie, India to Doris Kate Pretoria Clift (wife living at 10.9.43) Child born 1.5.1934 at Murree Doreen May Anne baptised at Kohat Child born 5.11.1937 at Quetta Margaret Rose Pretoria baptised at Quetta Next of Kin (10.9.43) Mrs D Cartwright (wife), c/0 V.C.Os School,Bareilly, Uttar Prakesh ------------------------------- Leave During Service From 11.1.33 to 9.2.33 (1 month) From 8.7.36 to 7.8.36 (1 month) Next is continuous leave of 1 years and 72 days From 9.11.34 to 7.1.35 (Combined Leave) 60 days From 7.1.35 to 8.11.35 (P/L Furlough) 305 days From 9.11.35 to 19.1.36 (Ext of Leave) 72 days From 2.6.47 to 27.6.47 (28 days war leave) His birth date is incorrect. The date on the military record makes him one year older than he was.
Part of email correspondence in Jul 2000 arising from a post to the INDIA-L Rootsweb group by Don Stanley, intended to see if anyone there had knowledge of Horace in India.	(1) Dear Mr Stanley, I read your e-mail dated the 4th, and damnme you could've knocked me over with a feather......................! In 1947 Major Cartwright was my Company Commander at a place called Bannu(BUN-NOO). His wife was with him but his two girls were not. The Cartwrights were very nice and gentle people. They, I think, used to breed Sidney Silkies for show purposes; I say this because just before he left Bannu on repatriation back to the UK they gave me their Sidney Silky(male) as they could NOT or did not have the heart to put their pet down: Trixey was a lovely dog, I had him for many years..... a real war veteran, he was with me on three different "fronts" in the India/Pakistan War! Towards the end of 1948 I got a letter from the Cartwrights asking me about the welfare of their dog; THAT LETTER WAS ADDRESSED FROM SOME PLACE IN KENT. I am sorry I cannot be more specific than this as much water has flown under the bridge of time! With regards to Mrs Cartwright; I do not think that that beautiful lady was born in England, and if she was, then she must've gone out to India as a young child. Here is some information you may like to follow up on. From the data provided by you it appears that Mrs Cartwright was a CLIFT. There was a Captain Clift serving in the Indian Army. He had three children, all of them came to Australia. I am sorry I do not know where Cartwrights daughters were in 47/48. The girls were NOT in Bannu: I dont blame them because Bannu was a frontier town enclosed within a double apron barbed wire fence; it was a rather "rough and ready" sort of town, where there was NO social life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND you will admit that this "state of affairs" would not be conducive to, nor to the liking of young girls! I was under the impression that they were in some other part of India or had "gone on ahead"(?) Though the latter course of action does'nt seem very likely!
Sample of Handwriting This signature was taken from the military record and is dated 1943.
False Death Leads	In 1954 a Horace Cartwright died in Worthing Sussex, aged 52. Whilst the age is correct, this is not the correct Horace Cartwright. The death index lacks a middle initial, so I obtained the death certificate. He has no middle name, and is a labourer who died in a house fire with his wife and tenant. To double check, I engaged a researcher in Worthing to check newspapers, and he found that the wife, named Violet Elizabeth Cartwright, also died in the fire. It is unlikely given the lack of evidence in death and marriage indexes that Doris died and Horace remarried between 1948 and 1954. Furthermore, a Horace Cartwright, with no middle initial, was born in 1902 in Worthing. It is highly likely that this Horace Cartwright born in Worthing in 1902 is the same one who died in Worthing in 1954. The Horace George Cartwright who died 1996 registered in August, death in Stafford is not our Horace. This HGC was born 29 March 1910 and there is an index entry for birth in Stafford in 1910 (6b/9 Jun 1910). The Horace George Cartwright who died 1989 registered in April, death in Newcastle is not our Horace. This HGC was born 14 July 1911and there is an index entry for birth in Oaken in 1911 (6b/164 Sep 1911).

Horace married Doris Pretoria Kate CLIFT-[29] [MRIN:27], daughter of Arthur Albert CLIFT-[766] and Kate DARLING-[1509], on 11 Sep 1928 in Mussoorie, India. (Doris Pretoria Kate CLIFT-[29] was born on 5 Sep 1904 in Woking, Surrey (UK) and died after 26 Feb 1948.)

  Marriage Notes:

Marriage Certificate Detail: for Horace George Cartwright and Doris Kate Pretoria Clift Marriage out the United Kingdom. Command of the 4th/7th Dragoon Guards At Sialkot

Army Marriages Mussoorie Page 70, 1928 Date: 11 Sep 1928 At: Mussoorie India Detail of Groom: Horace George Cartwright, English Detail of Bride: Doris Kate Pretoria Clift, English Age of Groom: 26 Age of Bride: 24 Condition Groom: Bachelor Condition Bride: Spinster Rank/Profession of Groom: Sergeant, 4th/7th Dragoon Guards Rank/Profession of Bride Nil Residence at time of marriage: Both Mussoorie Father of Groom: George Frank Cartwright Father of Bride: Arthur Albert Clift Rank/Profession of father of Groom: Deceased, Rank/Profession of father Bride: W.O Class (ii), I.O.L Witnesses: S Chase, I M D Clift, A A Clift, Ethel Chase Notes Married in the Christ Church, Mussoorie according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England by Banns by me W.N Munn, Chaplin, Mussoorie. The witnesses S Chase and Ethel Chase are most likely to be Sam Chase and his wife Ethel. Here is the content of an email sent by the daughter of Ethel Chase, the daughter now resides in New Zealand: "My mother and her husband Sam Chase were most likely your witnesses. Both are long gone unfortunately. They lived in the Hills for a long period. Sammy died while still in the Army in 14th November, 1928. My brothers also have all died. My mother married my father, <name available from Don Stanley>, in 1933. She continued to live in Mussorie until we left for NZ in 1947 along with my aunt. (Ethel Chase, nee Ball /(Balls?), 1894-1961)"