George Bates lists Thomas Bate, who died in 1485, OR John Bate who died in 1492 as the father of John Bate, who died in 1522483

Harding lists the source of this line as Thomas Bate of Lydd, Parish of All Hallows, England, who died in 1485484

Newton Bates gives several possibilities for the lineage of John Bate. He writes:

“The ancestry of this John is not certainly determined. A commonly accepted statement has been that he was a son of Thomas Bate of Lydd, who died in 1485, leaving a son John. But, another authority gives the following:

1. John Bate of Lydd, named in the wills of his brother William and his son Henry - both wills dated 1478.
2. Henry Bate of Lydd, wife’s name Agnes, will dated May 20, 1478, had children: James Simon, Andrew and Thomas.
3. James Bate of Lydd, wife’s name Agnes, will dated Jan. 14, 1491, had children: John, Thomas and George. This John, son of James, is given as the ancestor who died in 1522. But Thomas Bate, brother of James, had two sons - John and William. It is possible that this John, son of Thomas, is the ancestral John who died in 1522. If this conjecture be correct the line would be through Thomas Bate as follows: Thomas Bate of Lydd, died in 1485, leaving two sons, John and William.”485