NL GenWeb - Master Edward Payne, born Gloucestershire. Servant to John Barker founder of Bristol's Hope

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Conception Bay North Region ~ Harbour Grace District

Master Edward Payne of the era of Robert Hayman, and early Harbour Grace.

Transcribed and contributed by David Anstey, March, 2023. While I have endeavored to be as correct as humanly possible, there may be errors. One should check and compare with original material.

Robert Hayman's Quodlibets, 1628, lately come over from New Britanola old Newfoundland, composed at Harbor Grace, celebrates the virtues of settlers like E. Payne, Rowley, and Poyntz.

Page 18. 114. To my honest Bed-fellow the privately Charitable, discreetly Beneficial, Master Edward Payne, Merchant of Bristol. Piein is Greek, to drink: Pain, French, for bread: With Paine (God says) with these we shall be fed. Yet without Payne, many these needfuls gain, Only by thanking God, and Master Payne.


*Bristol Apprenticeship. Oct 14, 1607. Edward Paine Jr. innholder, late of the city of Gloucester, apprenticed to John Barker, merchant, & Elizabeth his wife. [Edward Payne]


*In his March 26, 1636 Will, John Barker names a Bristol servant, Edward Payne.


Master Edward Payne, born at the City of Gloucester, Gloucestershire, was a man of substantial prominence in society. He was the son of Alderman John Paine of Gloucester. His brother Henry Payne, held status as a London Grocer. Edward's father, Alderman John Payne, was an innholder, who became a member of the Gloucester corporation. Alderman John Payne died in 1605.

The financially astute, and societal eminent Bristol merchant, John Barker, subsequently saw an opportunity to employ the innholder's “freshman” son, Edward Payne. Having a business need for an individual of prominent occupational and financial stature; and not desiring an individual of lesser means who by chance, may become a bankrupt in the course of his business. John Barker, not without reputation, was no petty merchant whom took unnecessary chances financially. Edward Payne was a younger man of proper background, not so long entrenched in his business, whom John Barker could attract by offering advantage. If John Barker had not employed Edward Payne, he likely would have continued to fill his father's traditional role at Gloucester. As a Gloucester innholder, by succession. He would have become a Freeman of the City of Gloucester. And in time an Alderman of Gloucester.

Such folk as John and Edward Payne were among the most substantial, of the then City of Gloucester residents. John Barker, the documented founder of Bristol's Hope, at Harbour Grace; was an even more prominent individual within the society of the era, at Bristol. Far more eminent financially, than John Guy of the Cupids Cove Plantation. Recall "the Scottish undertakers together with the Newfoundland Company..." And William Alexander. John Barker could have been styled an undertaker of sorts. A man with deeper pockets, financially. As master of the Society of Merchant Venturers at Bristol, he was “the single individual” most likely to engage in a new Colony “Bristol’s Hope, when the financial flailing of Cupids Cove was common knowledge. John Barker held the reins of responsibility, and was a man of sufficient means to carry out the role of such an undertaking. He wasn't planning a Colony bankruptcy at Bristol's Hope, post the Cupid's Cove Colonies' financial problems. However, the nutshell result of it is, that in the course of time, he and or his successors would have come to realize that the Bristol's Hope Colony would simply provide Codfish and train oil. It would be a Fishery, and marketing business. ( Codfish: dry/stock, core/wet salted, mudfish/rounders, poor john/too small for marketing. Train oil/from livers. ) ( #1. Merchantable/Mercantile.  #2. Madeira. #3. West Indian/refuse. )

John Barker employed/apprenticed the services of a man of the stature of "innholder", Edward Payne. This relationship went beyond a simple apprenticeship, relaying thoughts wherein the apprentice reaped a few Pounds sterling, or his apparel; at the end of his apprentice term. The John Barker and Edward Payne relationship, lay on a grander scale, both in financial and societal terms. Similar to many of the apprentices of merchants John Barker at Bristol, father and son. Including some of the apprenticeships in general, during the era. The monopoly market town/corporation situation in England at the time, effected apprenticeships of such scale. An eminent merchant like John Barker wanted supplies when he needed them. His own assured supply. His vessels of some prominence on the Sea, could not simply be delayed, because some other merchant or vessel had purchased the very supplies he required. The costs and financial outlay of the expeditions he mounted, required timely movement. The financial abilities of some of the more prominent English merchants of the era, lay beyond the scope of thought, of the poor Newfoundland fisherman whose arms grew tired of keeping the shallop “head to the wind”, and whose fingers swelled and bled, under the repetition of handlining codfish.

At early Harbour Grace, Edward Payne/Paine of the cities of Gloucester and Bristol, would have provided accommodation, food sources, etc., for early mariners, sojourners, servants, fishermen and such. A victualler of sorts. Edward Paine was of sufficient family stature and financial business background, and had the wherewithal; to fill such a subcontracting servitude role, for the more esteemed Bristol merchant, John Barker. Edward would have had access to grown and manufactured food sources, necessary to any settlement at early Harbour Grace. Thomas Davis, an eminent Grocer, at Bristol, would have also supplied food staples to the early Bristol's Hope Colony. Merchant adventurers, sojourners, etc., would have brought these sourced food supplies with them on their Atlantic traversing vessels, to Harbour Grace. Supplies such as hay, corn, pease, honeybees, chickens, cattle, hogs, pilchards, flour, cheese, seeds, sugar, molasses, salt, tea, etc.

Edward Payne was a "right hand" man to the Founder of Bristol's Hope. The Founder, John Barker, employed his time in Bristol, continuing his financial successes. Gaining proprietary rights to the new settlement of Bristol's Hope. Dealing with the Society of Merchant Adventurers at Bristol, and the corporation of Bristol; including merchants and government in London. John Barker being a most prominent Bristol merchant, naturally fit the role of a financial and political, shaker and mover. His business investments were plural and diversified. The Bristol’s Hope investment being only one of many. John Barker was a Bristol Freeman in 1605. He had joined the Spanish Company in May, 1605. In 1612-13 he mounted a commercial expedition to Guyana. Robert Hayman in November, 1628, wrote, "Being bound by God's leave to Guyana in America, to settle a plantation there." Was John Barker involved in this further attempt to settle Guyana?

Master Edward Payne was an apprenticed/contracted subletting servant, of major community standing. Having the financial means, to provide lodging and food, for travellers, fishermen, and such. Without risk of bankruptcy. Having realized the role which Master Edward Payne filled at early Harbour Grace, one ponders the extent of the roles of men like Rowley, Poyntz, and others within the early Colonies at Newfoundland.


*John Barker wed 1st Elizabeth Spicer on Aug 30, 1607, the daughter of William Spicer of Exeter, Devon. He had 2 sons and 5 daughters by his 1st marriage.

*John Barker wed 2nd Mary ( Fownes ) Rogers, Widow of Alderley, Gloucester, on April 10, 1626. He had 1 daughter by his 2nd marriage.


*Extract of the August 12, 1639, PCC Will of Edward Payne, Merchant, of Bristol. PROB 11/181/32.

- Merchant of the age of 49 years and upwards. ( Born pre Aug 25, 1589. )

- ( Apprenticed on October 14, 1607, to his "age peer", John Barker, a merchant adventurer. )

"...and my body to the earth where it proceeded to be interred ( if I die in Bristol ), in St. James Church near close above the middle crosspath, where I require no stone be laid upon my corpse or needed charge of chest. Next, I heartily forgive all men that have wronged or offended me, as I hope in the second Adam, God, and man, Christ Jesus, to be forgiven; through whom alone I steadfastly believe [in] the full free remission of all my Sins With the Salvation of Soul and body at the resurrection of the last Day, and that he will be to me in life and death [an] advantage."

- mentions his brother Thomas ?Morse?

- mentions his brother-in-law John Brothers, and his wife, Edward's sister; Mary (Payne) Brothers.

- mentions his sister Margaret Langley, Widowed. Whom had daughters Judith and Elizabeth Langley.

- names his Master, Mrs. Mary Barker, Widow; whom he hopes will care for his Niece Elizabeth Langley, in lieu of his prior servitude.

- mentions his Niece Elizabeth Payne, daughter of his brother, Henry Payne, deceased. Elizabeth is under age 21 Years.

- names his Cousin Thomas Payne of ___? Longbridge. Whom had sons Samuell and Walter Payne.

- names his Cousin Robert Payne of Gloucester. Whom had a "little" son, Edward Payne. Godson to the testator.

- names a Godson Edward Payne, son of Peter Payne/Paine, Cordwainer of Bristol.

- names Godson Edward Payne, son of Edward Payne of Redcliffe Hill, Bristol.

- names Godson Anthony Payne of St. John's Parish.

- names his Nephew Daniel Baker.

- mentions his free lands at Exon, Devon. Bequeathed to his Nephew Edward Baker.

- Will made on August 25, 1638, and signed by Joseph Taylor.

- Probate granted to the Nephew, Edward Baker, on August 12, 1639.

In his Will Edward declares: "I hope my Mistress Mrs. Mary Barker will take care for her

[ his niece Elizabeth Langley, daughter of his sister Margaret Langley, Widowed. ]

education and portion as her adopted Daughter, for the Service I have gratis performed

these many years to my Deceased good Master [ Mr. John Barker ] and herself."

"To my niece Elizabeth Payne Daughter of my brother Henry Payne Deceased, I bequeath Thirty

Pounds Sterling, to be paid her at the age of one and twenty years..."

*( if I die in Bristol )...

Such an unusual entry in a Last Will and Testament, establishes that Edward Payne was a sojourner. Also being indicative, that his sojourning likely occurred beyond Gloucestershire. If Edward Payne had become deceased at his birth City of Gloucester, his body would have been transported to Bristol, for burial. Mariners and navy/mercantile sailors, often stipulated "to be buried at Sea or on Land"... as circumstances dictated. It is possible, that at the time of making his August 1638 Will, Edward Payne still acted as an innkeeper, victualler, merchant adventurer, and sojourner, to Harbour Grace in Newfoundland. A long established innholder personality there.

It appears that Richard Long, Andrew Charleton, and Francis Creswick, each held 1/3 ownership of the Harbour Grace Plantation, post Feb 18, 1637. Mary Barker had signed over her ownership portion, as of January 23, 1637. Though English Royalists ownership of land at Harbour Grace became a foreboding thing, during the interregnum in England.

It was not uncommon during the era, that on the death of an apprentice's Master, the apprentice "turned over" to a new Master. Adhering technically to the actual legal situation, and while creating a legal document; Edward in his Last Will and Testament of August 25, 1638, named Mrs. Mary Barker as his Master and Mistress. Though he could have actually held greater employment allegiance at that time, to Richard Long and Andrew Charlton. Such a possibility while raised, is unresolved here.

*Edward Payne per his Will, was to be buried in St. James Church, Bristol.

*The Carbonear Pynn/Payne family held ties to St. Nicholas Church, Bristol. Plurally.

No connection has been noticed to date, with the family of Edward Payne...

( Ann Daw's May 12, 1781, Ship Cove, Port de Grave, Will uses the word "heartily". The word heartily has been noticed in two Bristol Wills of the early 1600's. Ie: John Doughtie's, Feb 9, 1630. Page 5 of 6 as online. PROB 11/157/167. Approximately, 1/2 way or more, down the page. And in Edward Payne's Aug 12, 1639 Will. Page 1 of 3 as online. PROB 11/181/32. Near the bottom. ) This writer has not otherwise noticed instances of the usage of the word heartily in Last Will and Testaments. Though such must be expected, as being probable.

Ann Pynn Stretch, Widow of Henry Pynn/Payne, took control of the Ship Cove "William Anthony" Plantation, in 1754. Ann Pynn Stretch sold the former Anthony Plantation on Oct. 8, 1765; to Matthew Anthony. What family did Ann Daw of the May 12, 1781 Will descend from? Ann, a likely second wife to Samuel Daw. Did Matthew Anthony and Samuel Daw, both marry into a family of earlier presence at Ship Cove, dating from 1645?


Extract of the PCC Will of John Payne, Alderman of Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Probated on 14 June 1606. PROB 11/107/485

- John Payne made his Will on June 6, 1605. A Codicil made on June 18th.

- To be buried in St. Michael's Church, Gloucester.

- names his wife Julian.

- names his son in Law, Daniel Baker, by daughter Marie. Gives him 20 Pounds.

- names Edward Payne, his son. Wills him 2 acres of land in Chamwell field.

- if Edward Payne, his son dies without legal heirs, then his son Henry Payne to receive the land.

- two other leases on land in the city of Gloucester, Willed to his son Henry Payne.

- names Thomas Oliver, his son in Law, and Margaret his wife. Leaves them a lease on land.

- names John Paine, his son.

- has oxen, mares, cattle, hay, corn, bees, etc.

- names grand son John Baker, son of Daniel Baker.


*PCC Will of his son Henry Payne, (brother to Edward Payne).

PCC Will of Henry Payne, Grocer of Saint Dunstan in the West, City of London. PROB 11/159/16

Probated on January 10, 1631.

*Citizen and Grocer. Admon on Jan 10, 1631, to his relict, Eleanor Payne. Edward Payne and John, his brothers, renouncing.


The National Archives. Short title: Paine v Baker. Plaintiffs: Samuel Paine. Defendants: Edward Baker. Reference: C 8/62/39. Short title: Paine v Baker. Plaintiffs: Samuel Paine. Defendants: Edward Baker. Subject: personal estate of Edward Paine, Bristol, Gloucestershire. Document type: bill, answer and schedule. Date: 1645.


Master Edward Payne does not appear in "APPENDIX 4.1: KNOWN COLONISTS WITH JOHN GUY BETWEEN 1610 AND 1613", on page 289, in the book: John Guy of Bristol and Newfoundland: His Life, Times and Legacy. Alan F. Williams, W. Gordon Handcock (Editor), Chesley W. Sanger (Editor).

It is likely that Master Payne was “otherwise” employed by John Barker. At Bristol, or elsewhere.

*The name John Crowder does appear in the listing of known Cupids Cove, Colonists.

A John Crowder was apprenticed to John Barker on June 27, 1607, at Bristol. John Crowder, son of John, gener, of Yate Court Gloucester, to John Barker, Merchant, and Edith his wife.

*( The abbreviation “gener” commonly appears in the early Bristol apprenticeships, under the occupational listing. ?Was “general” the intended full interpreted occupational listing? A Bristol archivist may offer a better explanation? )

*Yate Court, Wickwar, Gloucestershire, is approximately 4 miles from Iron Acton.

The PCC Will of John Crowther, Merchant of Bristol, Gloucestershire, PROB 11/135/715, Probated on June 22, 1620, mentions his parents John & Margaret Crowther of Yate Court, Gloucestershire.

*Extract of the PCC Will of John Crowther, Gentleman of Acton, Gloucestershire, PROB 11/146/75, Probated on June 21, 1625.

- made his Will on March 4th, 1624.

- Names his wife Margaret Crowther as his Executor.

- "whereas heretofore I became bound to Andrew Charleton, Merchant, & his wife, or one of them for the saving him or them harmless, touching the estate of Edward Hales, Merchant, deceased".

- mentions "My now house in Acton". ( Indicating he had not for long, resided at Iron Acton. )

- Names his kinsmen and good friends, John Barker, Andrew Charleton, and Richard Longe, Merchants, as overseers of his Last Will and Testament.

- Richard Longe was a signatory to the Will.

*PCC Will of Margarett Crowther, of [Iron]Acton, County Gloucester, widow (of John, of same, gent.). PROB 11/160/157. Probated June 30, 1631, by John Barker, Andrew Charlton, Richard Longe, of Bristol, merchants, and Robert Greenland, clerk.

*John Doughtie invested in the Cupids Colony of 1610. PCC Will of John Doughtie, Alderman of Bristol, County Gloucestershire. PROB 11/157/167. Probated Feb 9, 1629-30, by John Barker, Alderman of Bristol, Andrew Charlton, Peter Miller, and Richard Longe.

*The March 4th, 1624, Will of John Crowther above, mentions: "My now house in Acton".

*Samuel Daw's March 29, 1761, Ship Cove, Port de Grave Will; mentions "my now wife" Ann. This being indicative of a likely second marriage, to Ann nee? ( The early Dawe land claim at Ship Cove, Port de Grave, in Newfoundland, appears to be a land grant, “more probably” given by a Naval Commodore, or his surrogate, to Ann Daw in 1755. Governor Richard Dorrill, in “HMS Penzance” of 40 Guns, or his surrogate Thomas Burnett, may have instituted this grant of land. ) Would any English material reference to this Ship Cove grant of Land in 1755, have survived? For the record, a source to check would be: ADM 80/121 Book of Orders and Proclamations by Governors of New-foundland.


*Consideration is given for the possible sequestration of the estates of Royalists ( also known as notorious Delinquents ), during the interregnum in England. David Kirke, Royalist, had his Newfoundland estate sequestered, and paid a fine to purchase it back. Francis Creswick, Andrew Charlton, and Richard Long were Royalists. Andrew Charlton died in 1643. Any land ownership at Harbour Grace/Bristol’s Hope by Royalists ( aka Delinquents ), may have been sequestered during the interregnum.

Francis Creswick

"On 3rd July, 1649, he petitioned with Hooke and others to compound on the Bristol Articles, being there at the surrender of the city. His estates had been sequestrated in the previous May, and he was suffering "much terror and discredit in employments" as a result of it."

Acts and Ordinances of the Interregnum, 1642-1660.

27 March, 1643 Ordinance for sequestering notorious Delinquents' Estates. [Passed March 27, Gardiner, G.C.W. i. 100; and noted as agreed to in L.J., v., 672, but not entered; printed by Husband in pamphlet form with date March 31 and in his vol. ii., p. 13, with date April 18.] Vol. i., p. 106.

9 April, 1649 Act prescribing certain times to Delinquents for perfecting their compositions under several penalties. [C.J., vi., 183.] Printed, Vol. ii., p. 57.


A detection of the court and state of England during the four last reigns and the interregnum. Consisting of private memoirs, &c. With observations and reflections. And an appendix, discovering the present state of the nation. The second edition. Roger Coke. 1696. ( Per the Introduction pages, unnumbered. )

Market Towns and Corporations in England, exclude all from trading with them, except those which have been bound Apprentice, and served their Apprenticeship. The 5th Act of Elizabeth. C, 4, excludes all from being bound Apprentices, but the Children of Free-men, or such whose Parents had 40 Shillings.

"…what a sort of men these are, which claim these Prerogative over the rest of the Subjects of the Nation, but generally a sort of Shop-keepers, Retailers, and Wholesale Men, who neither labour, nor are otherwise of any use to the Government. But by the Prerogatives of their Free-dom, set what prices they please upon the Labour of poor Artificers, ( who are the soul of the Nation ) and impose what Rates they please to the buyers of these again of them. Whereby their Riches arise from the oppression of the Labourers, while they are Idle, and by imposing upon the Nobility, Gentry, and others in selling.

...That these Companies who manage foreign Trades exclusive to other Men, are more Tyrannous and Injurious to their fellow Subjects, than any of their Enemies [Dutch and French] are, ... for why should the Nation assist them [ex: when their vessels are prized], who are more Enemies to it[the Nation] than any other? restraining less the Trade to English-men, and more to English Companies, so much less Treasure will the Nation acquire, and the Natives be less employed.

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