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Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 122 dtd October 31, 2003
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:37:20 EST

THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 122 
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(Issued monthly by [email protected])
October 31, 2003
(c) 2003 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)


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This first section of our 4-section newsletter includes:

1. News From Gerhard Lang -Rust
2. Hausfrau Magazine Still Being Published (see last newsletter)
3. Correspondence From Reinhard Strobl-Kleinmürbisch
4. Lehigh County (PA) Historical Society-New Quarters
5. A History Of Hungary-New Book
6. Lehigh Valley (PA) & Other Ethnic Events-Bob Strauch & Margaret Kaiser


1. NEWS FROM GERHARD LANG IN RUST
 (ED. Note: We have a number of correspondents from Austria, but Gerhard 
always seems to be able to portray daily life in the Burgenland in a very 
descriptive way.) He writes:

"As I sat down to look for my translations for next BB-newsletter issue, I 
found out that today is Sept. 30. I guess it will be too late for this month's 
newsletter, so we could save that for the next one. We had beautiful weather 
during the last weeks - temperature around 23 degrees Celsius. That is what is 
called "Alt-Weiber-Sommer" ("hag-summer" - in the U.S. it's the Indian Summer). 
An explanation for the word "Alt-Weiber-Sommer": single threads of spider 
webs hover in the air, glittering in the sunlight
- like the white hair of an old 
woman. Due to the hot and dry summer of this year, vintage started two weeks 
earlier and is almost finished - but for all the heat it was a good crop and 
the wine will be excellent this year.

Last Saturday we had a pumpkin-feast at Rust. Pumpkins were prepared for the 
children to carve faces and the grown-ups enjoyed the several "Schmankerl" 
(delicacies) made of pumpkin-pulp, as "Kürbis-Creme-Suppe" (pumpkin-cream-soup) 
with sour-cream and pumpkin-seed-oil or "Kürbis-Strudel" (pumpkin-strudel) and 
pumpkin-cake. It was a beautiful warm day and many tourists too attended the 
feast. I played some music and - later on, when the beer and "Spritzer" (wine 
mingled with water) did it's work, people sang and "schunkeled" (swayed left 
and right). I had to leave early because I had another job to play in the 
evening - the fans of the "Wulkatalmusikanten"
arranged an "Oktoberfest" with Munich 
("Paulaner")beer and pretzels, veal sausages, garlic sticks and many more 
delicacies. The wives and friends of the group crafted a lot of decorations for 
the "Festzelt" (marquee), there was a lot of music and spirits were high, beer 
tasted fine and so I had little problems, rising Sunday morning to join the 
"Frühschoppen" (morning pint). 
Martina took pity on me and agreed to be "my driver". In return I invited her 
for lunch ;-)

Today was the first real autumn-day, rain and cooling down - but we needed 
that rain, the ground was really dry during the last few weeks. I spent almost 
the entire day at my little workshop, building a "ferrets-cage". Our younger 
daughter had to have two ferrets (nice - but stinkers) and Daddy "has" to build 
a cage and Mum has to take care of the stinkers. 

Last week I harvested my plums and pears. We are going to dry them to make 
"Studentenfutter" (trail mix) for winter. My mother used to do that, dried 
sliced plums, pears and apples,
mixed with walnuts and hazelnuts and kept that in a 
big pint jar. I enjoyed that in winter!

Currently I'm working on a project with "Singkreis Grosshöflein", the "Sopron 
pedagogues' choir" and the "Sopron chamber orchestra": on Oct. 12 
Grosshöflein celebrates
it's 850th anniversary with a big feast, and we will give Joseph 
Haydn's "Missa brevis in Hon. St. Joannis de Deo" ("Little Organ-solo Mass") 
during the Holy Mass (celebrated by Diocesean bishop Dr. Paul Iby. We do a lot 
of rehearsal, spent an entire weekend together in "enclosure" to train for 
that
mass. Everyone of the choir is excited and nervous - it's a big project
for 
our choir!

I hope, Molly and you had a fine summer! Best wishes from Burgenland,
Gerhard and Martina


2. HAUSFRAU MAGAZINE STILL BEING PUBLISHED (MENTIONED IN LAST NEWSLETTER)

Bob Strauch writes:  "Die Hausfrau" is still being published, but under the 
name "Das Fenster". I think the name change occurred in the 1980's. A friend in 
Fullerton (a Zipser German from Slovakia) has a subscription and always 
passes them on to to me (sans Schnapps, however). Their website: 
www.dasfenster.com.

Isabella Lass Beichl writes: Die Hausfrau was changed to Das Fenster several 
years ago.   It is published monthly and comes from 103 E. Meadow Dr., Athens, 
GA 30605-2245.  It is published in German and has some English, very 
interesting articles, pictures and jokes.  Thank you for your wonderful
Newsletter - I 
wait for it every month, it is so nice to hear about the old Sod again.   

3. CORRESPONDENCE FROM REINHARD STROBL-KLEINMÜRBISCH

Reinhard writes: My name is Reinhard Strobl, Iwas born in 1967 and live in 
Kleinmürbisch, a small village in southern Burgenland (district
of Güssing). I'm 
working in Oberwart as a software developer. Some years ago I had an idea to 
make a calendar for the families of our village with old  ("historical") fotos 
of houses, inhabitants e.g. from Kleinmürbisch. For this purpose I talked  to 
many elderly people and asked for old fotos, which I scanned and archived on 
my computer (at the moment I have more than 2000 fotos). The problem I had was 
to find out the names of all the persons on the fotos. In talks with many 
(mostly elderly) people I got a lot of names and information of Kleinmürbisch 
inhabitants and there relatives and also information
about the fotos. To make it 
easier for me  to manage all the data, I made a database and recorded all the 
data (actual Kleinmürbisch  inhabitants and known relatives, persons buried at 
the Kleinmürbisch cemetery e. g.). This was the beginning of my (interest in) 
genealogical research.

When I was searching in 2001 to find out the relatives of the Kleinmürbisch 
inhabitants I found  the (very interesting and very good) Burgenland Bunch 
Homepage and the house list of 1859. Since
2001 I have visited your Homepage very 
often and used the mentioned links to find out further information. In the 
last month I researched the Ellis Islands Records for US  immigrants from 
Kleinmürbisch. I found many persons
who emigrated from Kleinmürbisch  between 1899 
and 1924. I have listed the Kleinmürbisch emigrants in an Excel-sheet.  If you 
or someone else are interested in them, I would send the excel-sheet
by  email. I have also data of relatives and descendants of the Kleinmürbisch 
US immigrants in my database. 

Kleinmürbisch at the moment has 260 inhabitants (in 1890there were 397). 
Kleinmürbischhad  in 1923 -359, in 1939 -363, in 1951 -275, in 1961 -243). Our 
neighboring (Austrian) villages are Großmürbisch, Inzenhof, Tschanigraben and  
Güssing (Langzeil, St. Nikolaus, Glasing). Nearby there are the Hungarian
Villages of Raabfidisch, Jakobshof, Ober-Radling, Unter-Radling. I want to 
join the Burgenland Bunch. Below is my data:

Reinhard Strobl ([email protected]); Kleinmürbisch 31, A-7540 Güssing 
(Austria).

BENDL/PENDL, BERNER, BURGHARDT/BURGHARD/BURKHARDT/BURKHARD, BURITS, DEX/DEKS, 
ECKER, FANDL, FASSMANN, FEILER, FRISCH, FRÜHWIRTH/FRÜWIRTH, GANSTER/GANSZTER, 
GUTTMANN, HAMERL/HAMMERL/HAMEDL, HORVATH, JOST/JOSZT, KOBER, KROBOTH, 
MAIKISCH, MARTH, MÜHL/MUEHL, MULZET/MOLZET, NIKISCHER,
REICHL, ROTTENSTUMMER, SEMLER/SEMMLER/SZEMLER, SOMER/SOMMER/SZOMMER, SORGER, 
STRAUCH, STROISSNIG, SULZ, THOMAS, WALLES, WECHSLER, WEIDINGER, 
WUKITS/WUKITSCH. 

Kleinmürbisch (formerly also called Obermürbisch, Hungarian Kis Medves or 
Felso Medves) Most of them settled in Pennsylvania - Lehigh Valley (Allentown, 
Coplay, Stiles, Nazareth, Egypt, Coraopolis), some in New York (Troy, Hoboken).

Kind regards from Kleinmürbisch (I hope, my English is good enough, that you 
can understand all)

Reinhard Strobl
Kleinmürbisch 31        Telefon:    +43-3322-44196 
A-7540  Güssing        E-Mail:    mailto:[email protected]
E-Mail:    mailto:[email protected] 
 

4. LEHIGH COUNTY (PA) HISTORICAL SOCIETY NEW QUARTERS

As mentioned previously, this organization has much data concerning 
Burgenland immigrants in
their library. Mostly Allentown church records (typed and 
indexed) plus Allentown City Directories, a number of genealogies and newspaper 
files. They have built a new home at Allen Park, near Trout Hall, 4th & Walnut 
Streets, Allentown, PA. If you are anywhere near this area and have Lehigh 
Valley (Allentown,
Bethlehem, Coplay, Northampton, etc.) immigrant ancestors, pay 
this site a visit. They have a website-see our URL list.

5. A HISTORY OF HUNGARY-NEW BOOK

One request that I frequently receive involves someone who has a fairly good 
genealogy-they have linked five or six generations with appropriate 
documentation-but
who knows very little concerning the times and events experienced by 
their ancestors. They often ask the question "what was life like in Burgenland 
in the 1880's, etc." It is unfortunate that history is not well received in 
our schools and the history of central Europe is rarely mentioned in American 
history curriculums. There are a lot of reasons for this but one that has been 
primary up to this time is the lack of English language histories-particularly 
those concerning Hungary. The history of Hungary is fundamental to a history 
of the Burgenland-even more important than a history of Austria, although the 
two have been tied together for many centuries.

There have been many Hungarian scholars and writers who have done much 
research
and who have had their works published, mostly in German or Hungarian,
but 
rarely in English. The list of these is quite large. In the last decade, 
following the decline of Communism, there has been considerable interest
in this 
region, mainly sparked by the Balkan problems. As a result we have seen 
Hungarian and Balkan histories appearing in English. Those of the University of 
Washington Press (Peter F. Sugar being one of the authors and
editors) published in 
ten volumes as "A History of East Central Europe" are among the best, but 
expensive and perhaps too detailed for our purpose. They have been covered in 
previous issues of the BB newsletter and I strongly urge those with a deep 
interest in this region to obtain them, but ten volumes can be expensive.

Not too long ago, I reviewed "A History of Hungary" by Sugar, Hanak and 
Frank, Indiana University Press. An excellent one
volume condensed history, divided 
into specific time periods. A good choice for anyone with a casual interest. 
See past issues of the BB newsletter if missed.

I recently acquired another one volume history, which I can recommend. 
Authored by Laszlo Kontler, it is "A History Of Hungary" published by Palgrave 
Macmillan (www.palgrave.com) and selling
for $26.95 from Scholars' Bookshelf. It 
covers the period from pre-written history to 1989, in eight chapters. It is an 
excellent survey and does not focus on the modern period at the expense of 
ignoring the past. It does contain some original research. Kontler is Professor 
of History at two universities in Budapest and also taught at Lajos Universty 
in Debrecen, Hungary and Rutgers University in New Jersey. It is a good 
addition to your Burgenland library,
particularly for those who do not read German. 
You will not find your ancestral village mentioned but you can easily 
extrapolate nearby events
into a logical picture of what historical events would have 
meant to nearby inhabitants.

6. LEHIGH VALLEY (PA) & OTHER ETHNIC EVENTS-from Bob Strauch & Margaret 
Kaiser
(ED. Note-while some are too late for this newsletter, you may wish to 
determine if they are annual events and book keep them for next year.)

Bob writes: From the latest issue of the "ADTimes" (Allentown Diocese 
newspaper) and elsewhere- 

1. October 25: Bazaar @ Hungarian Evangelical Reformed Church, North and High 
Sts. in Bethlehem/PA. Homemade stretch strudel, Dobosch Torte, 
Grammelpogatscherln
(crackling biscuits), homemade breads, and other assorted pastries. 
Kitchen
also serves hot food such as goulash or stuffed cabbage. Hours: 9 am -
1 
pm.

2. October 25: Food Bazaar @ St. Michael's Polish R.C. Church, 829 Main St. 
in Northampton/PA. Kielbasa, stuffed cabbage, pierogi, potato pancakes, soups, 
assorted pastries. Hours: 9 am - 3 pm.
 
 3. October 25 - 26: Bazaar @ Holy Family R.C. Church, 520 W. Center St. in 
Nazareth/PA. Hours: 8 am - 1 pm.

 4. November 1: Bazaar and Food Sale @ Our Lord's Ascension Polish National 
Catholic Church, 2105 Jennings St. in Bethlehem/PA. Kielbasa, stuffed cabbage, 
pierogi, strudel, breads, assorted pastries. Hours: 10 am - 2 pm.
 
5. November 1 - 2: Parish Festival @ Holy Ghost R.C. Church, 417 Carlton Ave. 
in Bethlehem/PA. German cuisine, homemade strudel, jams, relishes, baked 
goods. Hours: Sat. 9 am - 6 pm, Sun. 8 am - 1 pm.
 
 6. November 8: Bazaar @ Our Lady of Hungary R.C. Church, 1324 Newport Ave. 
in Northampton/PA. Gerschtlsuppn (egg-barley soup), potato pancakes, assorted 
pastries. Hours: 10 am - 3 pm.


Upcoming events elsewhere: (from Margaret Kaiser)

November 1, Saturday from noon to 6pm, November 2, Sunday from noon to 5pm 
Hungarian Food and Pastry Fair in the Calvin Hall of the Hungarian Reformed 
Church of Passaic (220 Fourth Street, Passaic, NJ 07055).  Information: (973) 
778-1019

November 1, Saturday at 8pm Tamburitzans of Duquesne University of 
Pittsburgh, Eastern European Folklore Spectacular at the Fashion Institute of 
Technology, Haft Auditorium (227 West 27th Street, NYC).  Information:
(800) 955-5566

Newsletter continues as no. 122A.

From: [email protected]
Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 122A dtd October 31, 2003
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:38:05 EST

THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 122A
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(Issued monthly by [email protected])
Octoberber  31, 2003
(c) 2003 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)

BURGENLAND BUNCH INTERNET LINKS - ADDITIONS, REVISIONS 10/17/2003
HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE HOMEPAGE (from Internet/URL Editor Anna Tanczos Kresh)

This second section of our 4-section newsletter includes:
1. Mosonsentjanos (St. Johann) Origins-Dale Knebel
2. Origins Of Name Knaus
3. Burgenland Mantlik Search Leads To North-Eastern Hungary-Trip Report
4. New Additions To Burgenland Internet Links-Anna Kresh


1. MOSONSENTJANOS (ST. JOHANN) ORIGINS-from Dale Knebel

Dale writes: I was at the Stearns History Museum and was glancing through a 
genealogy called "The Lang Family" by Viola Lang Campion.  I came across an 
interesting letter from a priest in St. Johann who had helped the author do 
research. He speculates on the origin of the Burgenlanders (in this region) and 
provides other interesting information.

A letter (last half of the 1960's) from Father Csoka follows (sic): 
"Now something interesting about Mosonsentjanos  (St. Johannes): This and the 
surrounding villages (St. Peter, Mosonzolnok, Levil, Heggesbalom) were 
inhabited by people speaking German. It is not certain when they settled
there. One 
of the Hapsburg kings brought them from the empire, probably from 
Baden-Würtenburg. Unfortunately the records were devastated
when the Turks went against 
Vienna (1683), and the whole district was burned down and lost. 

Once, before 1700, the inhabitants were Protestant (Evangelist-Lutheran) for 
50-60 years, but when Queen Mary Therese kept the land for herself they became 
Catholics again. Our registers start from 1701. In 1659 they were still 
Evangelists. In 1780 the inhabitants became Catholics.

One-fourth part in St. Janos were the big landowners (100 acres). The 
greatest part of the people were small farmers
(10 acres). Later it became smaller 
when the land had to be divided among the children who became farmhands or 
servants.

Because of the hard-life conditions in 1880-83 and later 1900-10, the great 
emigrations started to the USA. They were not Austrians. The Hapsburg Empire 
consisted of  Austria and Hungary. We had our king in common-king in Hungary, 
emperor in Austria, the same person.

The inhabitants here had their German mother tongue, but of Hungarian 
nationality. For instance, in Detroit
there are at least 100,000 Hungarians speaking 
their mother tongue, but having American nationality.

After the 2nd World War many Hungarians settled in Germany. In Stuttgart, 
more than 1000 people from St. Janos are living. Father Csöka.


2. ORIGINS OF NAME KNAUS

In a message dated 10/24/03, [email protected] writes:

Wondering if any of the Knaus roots in Burgenland may have immigrated to 
Kratzke or Donhoff, Russia as part of the Volga Deutsch?  I'd like to know from 
where the family originated before Russia. Is the Knaus name in Burgenland 
Austrian, Croatian, Hungarian,
etc? My family spoke "Blatt Deutch". What village 
did the Knaus name stem from in Burgenland? K. Knaus 

Reply: As in all searches for the origin of names, there are many 
possibilities. The name
is Germanic, it can stem from the middle high German dialect 
(south Germany)
"Knuz" which means proud. There is no Old High German form. It is 
similar to Old English "cneatian"-to quarrel. In our context (yours and mine 
since I have some Knaus ancestors also) it most likely stems from the Swabian 
or Alemannic dialect word "Knaus" -hillock. (source-Oxford Dictionary of 
Surnames)

So, which stem applies in your case? There were two main Germanic migrations 
to Russia in the modern period (before that it's anybody's guess)-one to 
Galicia
(Galizien ceded to Austria in 1772) under Empress Maria Theresia starting

about 1774. Most of these colonists came from Pfälz and Württemberg. They were 
Evangelical Lutherans and Mennonites as well as Bohemian Catholics (from 
previous Germanic migrations to Bohemia). Others came from the Palatinate,
Baden 
and Hesse in the 1780's. If yours were Protestant, that's a clue.

The second large group was settled in western Russia and near the Volga by 
Catherine the Great in the late 1700's. I don't know where they came from 
although many German speakers were involved  and they were generally known as 
Swabians, so this ties in with what we know about the Swabian derivation
of the name 
Knaus,  Swabia being fairly close to the Russian borders. There were other 
migrations to what is known as Russia at various periods but
I doubt if they are 
pertinent to this query (Polish eastern border, eastern Balkans, 
Transylvanian eastern border, Carpathia-now in the
Ukraine, the Baltic region east of 
Prussia, south Russia along the Black
Sea, etc.) You are probably aware that most 
of these Germanic areas were "cleansed" during and following WWII. The 
inhabitants were forcibly removed to Germany proper. There are organizations 
compiling records of these,
but this is beyond the scope of my Burgenland research.

As to Knaus in Burgenland, Austria (my clan)-I find them in southern 
Burgenland and western Hungary along the Austrian border, mainly in villages of 
Güssing, Mühlgraben,
Inzenhof, Tauka, Minihof Liebau, Neuhaus am Klausenbach in the 
districts (Bezirk) of Güssing and Jennersdorf as well as Rabafüzes and Also 
and Felso Rönök in the neighboring Hungarian district (or Megye) of Szt. 
Gotthard.
I seriously doubt if there was any migration from there to Russia, although

some may have joined the Swabian movement to the Balkans. The name Knaus in 
the Burgenland is the same-Germanic origin. Burgenland is 84% Germanic and has 
a history of Germanic colonization dating back to the 11th century. When the 
present Knaus families arrived is not known but indications are late 1600's, 
following the Turkish retreat from Vienna in 1683-84, probably from Lower 
Austria, Styria or Swabia. The Hungarian spelling of Knaus is Knausz.

I might add that this is not an uncommon Germanic name-you will also find it 
among the Palatinate Germans (so-called Pennsylvania Dutch from what is now 
Rhineland-Hesse) who emigrated to eastern Pennsylvania beginning in the early 
1700's and continuing into the early 1800's. Allentown, PA and Lehigh, Bucks, 
Berks, York and Lancaster Counties have many families with this name. I went to 
school with a few.

The term "Blatt Deutsch" is unfamiliar to me-it translates as Leaf or Paper 
page German, and obviously refers to a local dialect like "Hianzen" in the 
Burgenland. It may be a phonetic corruption of  "Platt Deutsch" or peasant 
(plow-rural-farm) German-the German of Bavaria and Swabia. There are over 400 
recognized German dialects.

I might add, that what we have written provides clues as to the origins of 
some Germanic colonists; however, they are only clues until such time
as we find 
written documentation. Given the early movement of Germanic peoples and their 
wide and frequent dispersal, I'm afraid we will never have definite proof for 
most. The area of Germanic "genealogy" really begins in southern Texas and 
spreads east to the Volga and beyond in Russia-I even have some in Hawaii-north 
to south it spreads from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Thanks for the question. 
I'll be publishing it and my reply in our newsletter.


 3. BURGENLAND MANTLIK SEARCH LEADS TO NORTH-EASTERN HUNGARY-TRIP REPORT

Deirdre Montlick Miller ([email protected]) writes: Thank you for including 
my Mantlik family search in your latest edition of the Burgenland Bunch news! 
Thanks to your posting, I received help from Bob Strauch, who researched the 
Ellis Island database and found some information about my relatives.  He 
discovered, however, that my grandparents probably came from
NE Hungary, rather than 
Burgenland!  This is a bit of a surprise for me after looking for their roots 
in Burgenland, but I believe he is correct.  I have found no Mantliks in the 
Burgenland area, and there are still several families with that name in the 
Miskolc area of northeast Hungary.  I now believe that the "St. Andras" of my 
grandfather's birthplace was "Hernadszentandras" a tiny village near the Hernad 
River, near Encs, Hungary.  Apparently there are many towns called "St. 
Andras" (with different prefixes, such as Moson,
Hernad, Torna, etc.) in Hungary!
  
Also, Bob found in the data base, an "Erszi Kovacs" (probably my 
grandmother)who emigrated to the US from
a town called "Tarkany" which is probably 
Kistarkany, now a village just
over the border in eastern Slovakia!  They now call it 
Male Trakany.  This is another interesting development. I am overwhelmed with 
the wonderful help I am receiving.  Obviously, I have much more research to 
do.
    
My trip to Europe was fascinating.  I spent several days in Vienna with my 
daughter, drove through the Burgenland area, and then went on to Budapest and 
eastern Hungary.  Although the cities of Vienna and Budapest had gorgeous 
architecture and
exciting urban life, my favorite place to visit was the town of 
Eger, about 2 hours east of Budapest.  I highly recommend it to anyone visiting 
Hungary--and stay at the Hotel Romantik if you go!  The staff are really 
helpful.

 I was thrilled to meet with two different branches of the Mantlik family, 
who may be related to mine, although we were unable to establish a direct 
connection.  I hope to stay in contact with them (they are in Vienna, and near 
Miskolc, HU) to find out more about my family origins. Gerry, if you have any 
information on sources who may be able to help me search my Eastern Hungarian 
roots,
can you let me know?  Thanks for all your wonderful help.  Your group is
so 
nice!  I would like to remain on your mailing list for this newsletter, as I 
enjoy the information and recipes too.  

4. BURGENLAND BUNCH INTERNET LINKS - ADDITIONS, REVISIONS 10/17/2003
(from Internet/URL Editor Anna Tanczos Kresh)

BURGENLAND INTERNET LINKS
o Church Curators  <
http://www.evang.at/dokumente/formulare/_img/kuratoren.xls> - (downloadable
Excel file) This file lists the Kurator/in 
(curator/guardian) and Kurator
Stv. (Stellvertreter = deputy) for evangelical churches in the 
Burgenland; possible contacts for seeking access to church records/building; 
click on Bgld for Burgenland.

o Eltendorf <http://www.eltendorf.com/> - town photos, history and other city 
information. Uhudler-Pfeiffer includes an English translation of area wine 
growing history.

o Gemeindename mit Ortschaftsname, Postleitzahlen <
http://www.statistik.at/verzeichnis/ortschaften_170703.pdf>
- List of Burgenland (or other Austrian) 
towns with postal codes (PDF).

o Genealogie im Internet <
http://magazin.orf.at/bgldmagazin/imland/tipps/stories/338/>
- article in Austrian Broadcasting Corp. magazine regarding the 
Burgenland Bunch

o Trip Photos <
http://www.pfarre-forchtenstein.at/Fotoalbum/Frauenausflug03/pages/a-Bus.htm>
- 29 photos; Burg Güssing, Stadtpfarrkirche, Rönöker 
Emmerichkirche, and the Batthyany Grab in Güssing. 

GENEALOGY RESEARCH LINKS (OTHER)
o Relationship Chart  <http://www.mdwsweb.com/genealogy/relationship.html> - 
long list of online charts to determine your relationships

HUNGARIAN INTERNET LINKS
o Heraldic Links <http://www.heraldica.org/topics/national/hungary.htm> - 
Notes on Hungarian heraldry; see also Pimbley's Dictionary of Heraldry <
http://digiserve.com/heraldry/pimbley.htm>

PASSENGER SHIP/IMMIGRATION INTERNET LINKS
o Emigration - Hamburg and Bremen <http://blacklake.biz/meck/hambrg.htm> - 
infomation on the emigration ports of Hamburg and Bremen and the evolution of 
ships

o  Germans to America  <http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/gta-revu5.html>
 - Published Passenger Lists: A Review of German Immigrants and Germans to 
America, Volumes 1-9 (1850-1855)

o  Passenger Lists - Links  <
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~herz/links/passlists.htm>
- numerous links to passenger lists, research guides, etc.

o Using Hamburg Passenger Lists  <
http://www.horlacher.org/germany/articles/hambpl.htm>

URLS CHANGED
o 3000 Year Perpetual Calendar <
http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/lawyers/magistrates_benchbook/perpetual_calendar/perpetual_calendar.htm>
- International and 
British versions; with 1582/1752 revisions for accuracy, links to calendar 
history, etc. [address change]

o Abbreviations Found in Genealogy   <
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/abbrev.html>, <http://www.family-crests.com/online_library/abbreviations.html>,
<
http://www.datastore.com/~myrona/NFMISC/abbrev.html>, <
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzmgrinl/abbrev.html> [one link broken, dropped]

o Alte deutsche Handschriften <http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/scripts.html>
 - Samples of Old German handwritten scripts, example and explanation of 
Austrian parish book birth record; examples of German signatures

o AudioOnDemand <
http://www.wrn.org/listeners/stations/index.php?CurrentLetter=1/> - on
demand radio from Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, the Vatican, and many 
more (each site offers multiple languages)

o Austrian "Aussenministerium" (State Department) <http://www.bmaa.gv.at/> - 
Many interesting links to information on Austria; German and English [address 
change]

o Austrian Cyber Cafes <http://www.bignet.at/> - Internet, Fax, CD, and 
scanning
services available in Austria; also some Internet services available at
the 
Vienna Airport and discount booksellers "Libro" (Eurocenter and Steffl 
department stores, Amadeus bookshops); click on Bignet Internet Cafes - see BB 
newsletter #85 for more info [change in title and description; formerly
Viennese 
Cyber Cafes]

o Ellis Island Database (EIDB) <http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/> - American 
Family Immigration History Center at Ellis Island, NY; online access to data 
on passengers who came to America through Ellis Island and the Port of New 
York; see also 
Searching Ellis Island Database in One Step <
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html>  - expanded
method for searching the EIDB

o Expedia Maps  <http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmfn&&tpid=1&&;
zz=1066259291140&> - Enter village/city and
country name anywhere in the world to 
display a map of the area selected; includes zoom capability; driving 
directions limited to US only

o Famous Hungarians list <
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-famous-Hungarians>
- List of famous people of Hungarian origin; 
see also <
http://www.magyarorszag.hu/angol/orszaginfo/magyarok/nobeldijasaink_a.html>
[new urls]

o Habsburg Source Texts Archive <http://www.h-net.org/~habsweb/sourcetexts/> 
- some Austro-Hungarian history links [new address]

o Lehigh County Historical Society  <
http://www.lehighcountyhistoricalsociety.org/> - Allentown,
Pennsylvania; lists the Collections held, such as church 
records, genealogies, newspapers, etc.; see also 
Moravian Historical Society <
http://www.moravianhistoricalsociety.org/research.html> [address change]

o Library of Congress <http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/genealogy> - U.S. Library of 
Congress, Washington, DC; online search; 
LOC - Newspaper Holdings <http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/news/newscats.html> - 
Catalogs of Newspaper Holdings on the Internet [address correction]

SEE BB HOMEPAGE FOR OTHERS  OR THOSE DROPPED OR CHANGED. INFORM URL EDITOR IF 
YOU KNOW OF ANY.

Newsletter continues as no. 122B.

From: [email protected]
Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 122B dtd October 31, 2003
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:39:25 EST

THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 122B
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(Issued monthly by [email protected])
October 31, 2003
(c) 2003 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)


This third section of our 4-section newsletter includes only one article:

*Glass Notes & Other Musings From A Rhine-Main Danube River Trip

(ED. NOTE: This trip did not include the Burgenland, but it will be of 
interest to anyone considering a trip to Europe. River boat tours are relatively

new. It is a painless, comfortable and exciting way to travel. I originally
wrote 
it for glass collecting friends and relatives. If you have no interest in 
travel or glass, I suggest you read no further. Gerry Berghold)

GLASS NOTES & OTHER MUSINGS FROM A RHINE-MAIN-DANUBE RIVER TRIP
(August 28-September 12, 2003)

As early as the ninth century, Charlemagne envisioned a river route that 
would connect the North Sea with the Black Sea. This could happen
if a canal were 
to be dug which would connect the Rhine and Main Rivers to the Danube, all 
three rivers being navigable their whole length. The project was started 1200 
years ago, but failed mostly through logistics problems.
Called the Ludwig Canal 
or Main Danube Canal, it was recently finished; 106 miles from Bamberg on the 
Main to Kelheim on the Danube.  It now provides barge and river boat transport 
through a series of locks-66 from Amsterdam to Vienna alone, the three 
largest each being 82 feet in height. Rising 1332
feet above sea level, it is the 
highest point on any European waterway. We now have a certificate as Class "A" 
sailors who have reached the highest point on the canal (appropriately 
celebrated with champagne).

Having traveled the Danube from Passau, Germany to its northeastern branch 
(one of five) at Ismail, Russia on the
Black Sea in the 1980's, we then traveled 
the Rhine from Basle, Switzerland to Antwerp, Belgium in the Fall of 2002. A 
side trip also showed us the Mosel River from Rudesheim to Trier. Wanting to 
complete this river odyssey, we booked this trip, which took us from Amsterdam 
to Vienna by riverboat.  We thus can say that we have crossed Europe west to 
east by boat. (Addition for BB members-I couldn't help but think about our 
Germanic ancestors who often used river boats in their migrations. I've read 
accounts of wagon travel (shades
of American westward expansion) to some river port 
where they built rafts and drifted down the rivers toward their destinations. 
In some cases, the timbers from these rafts were often used later in the 
construction of homes. I've seen some massive timbers in Burgenland barns and 
homes and wondered where they came from-large timber now being very rare. Of 
course raft travel was dangerous and I have a record of one Berghold family 
(unlinked) who lost their wife and mother on the Danube when their raft upset.)

Given this introduction, we wish to share experiences from this latest trip, 
featuring our interest in glass. Limited time in all of the cities mentioned 
did not allow us to search all of the flea markets or antique shops. That would 
require months of travel. In addition our trip was a structured tour with 
just a little free time at each stop, so our glass experiences had to be 
curtailed.

Immediately upon entering  the reception area of the MS River Concerto, 
docked in Amsterdam,
and which was our home for the next 15 days, we spotted a case 
full of Swarovski glass-mostly in the form of jewelry. The clarity and 
brilliance
of their crystal and colored glass comes close to duplicating gemstone.
I 
predict their glass items will become highly collectable in later years. They 
are exporting to the US and many pieces are available in various catalogs. 

Starting in Amsterdam, our tour included the famous Rijksmuseum (known mostly 
for paintings-the home of Rembrandt's " Night Watch") which has a glass 
collection covering the period 1500-1930. Replicas (blown by two families
in the 
Czech Republic who specialize in this work) are available in the museum gift 
shop. We purchased a replica of a Dutch drinking glass (Römer) of the 17th 
century.  We bought a book of museum illustrations. It was shrink
wrapped and not 
until we got home did we notice on page 107, two pairs of magnificent gold and 
silver saltcellars from the early 1600's. Made by Adam van Vianen (1568-1627) 
of Utrecht and Johannes Lutma the Elder (1587-1669) of Amsterdam, we missed 
seeing them in the museum-yech! I'd trade all of Molly's half of our salt 
collection for just one piece! (I think she would too!).
Lutma thought so much of 
his-shells carried by children on dolphins-that
he had his portrait painted with 
one. 

Köln. First stop in Germany. After viewing the famous cathedral of Cologne 
(Köln)-oh those stained glass windows-we noticed a new museum called 
Römisch-Germanisches Museum, across from
the cathedral. It now contains one of the 
largest collections of Roman
finds from the area-mostly dating from the 2nd century 
BC to the 2nd century AD. The types of glass are astounding and prove beyond 
any doubt that the Romans were fully capable of producing any of the glass 
types made today. We could see where some of our best artists-like Frederick 
Carder acquired ideas. 

In Koblenz we found an antique shop with a pair of First Empire (so it was 
said) double salts in highly decorated silver holders-price Euro 6,000 ($6500). 
We said "danke und wiedersehen" and passed on. This was a place to eat pastry, 
not buy antiques.

In Rudesheim, called "a tourist trap in which you'll love to be trapped" we 
found lots of new glass-mostly beer drinking vessels. Newly acquired friends 
who had developed a taste for German Weiss (wheat) beer, bought a dozen. I did 
find a brass cork puller involving a young boy with a corkscrew where his 
normal appendage
would be. The young girl didn't even blush when she sold it to me. 
A cork puller resembling a statue of a Brussels boy doing his business called 
Mannekin Pis, they sell in the US for up to a hundred-this one $5.00. A 
German dinner in the restaurant Lindenwirt with wine and music stands out with 
great smoked pork and sauerkraut and fine white wine. The Asbach-Uralt cognac 
distillery
is located in Rudesheim-I may no longer drink much cognac but I did buy

some cognac filled chocolates!

In need of a rest, we opted to stay on board ship and cruise as opposed to 
visiting Mainz, Nuremberg and Heidelberg. Glass possibilities there are thus 
unknown. Very pleasant days cruising down the river, full of good food and a 
glass of something with music. It doesn't get any better than that, as
one of my 
friends has said.

Wertheim (confluence of Main and Tauber Rivers) was a  startling discovery. 
Following the start of the Cold War and the establishment of the "Iron 
Curtain"dozens of Bohemian glass artists left Czechoslovakia
and Eastern Germany and 
settled in Wertheim, which has a supply of superior glass sand as well as ample 
gas supplies. Since the city would not allow glass furnaces, most of the 
resident artists took up flame work, which they and their descendants are doing 
today. We attended a display by one of the artists and later purchased glass 
pens, stemmed vessels (which are now identified as salts), an art glass  wine 
glass and Murano type earrings. A lot of flame worked pieces. Later we visited 
the Glassmuseum Wertheim which had thousands of interesting  items. Among them 
were eight "doppelwand" (double wall) salts of the type known to open salt 
collectors (we have four). They were displayed
as Bohemian and attributed to the 
period 1770. I believe we have now positively identified this type salt as 
Bohemian of this period. This is the
third such attribution we've encountered in 
Europe. 

Würzberg allowed little time for glass searches as we were treated to a wine 
tasting and lunch at the famous winery of the Juliusspital. Included was a 
fifteen-minute stroll through just one of their underground vaults aging and 
storing countless barrels of wine. We were given the wine glasses used for the 
tasting, which are etched with the winery arms. Silvaner Eiswein (1999 
Dettelbacher Berg-Rondell)
was available for purchase at $43 the half bottle-less then 
half of the US price. An excellent 2000 Würzburger Stein Kabinett however was 
available for $8.00 in the traditional Franconian "Bocksbeutel" shaped full 
bottle. I'd love to have a few cases, but health and customs-yech! We also 
visited the
Residenz-of the Prince Bishops of Bavaria-an immense palace containing

many works of art including a dazzling room of mirrors. A gold filled 12th 
century church-the personal chapel of the Prince Bishops. I wonder if they 
(electors of the Holy Roman Empire) ever served Mass?

Rothenburg, a medieval city, untouched by WWII with original city walls was 
very touristic. Near the eastern gate we found an antique dealer who told us he 
had no open salts but wanted to talk to us about them anyway. In an out of 
the way corner of his shop we found our 'trip" salt-a Second Empire (late 
1800's) highly decorated pewter salt with winged Griffins and Lyres on
four animal 
feet. Measuring 7cms in diameter and 5cms high, it holds a cup shaped bowl of 
light blue slag glass-no other marks and to date not found in any of our 
reference books. It was not inexpensive but is most impressive.
Our open salt buy of 
this trip! Interesting area souvenirs are ceramic models of local buildings. 
Windows are left open for light to shine through and a tea candle can be 
inserted through the base. Very attractive and well made.

Kelheim, a delightful smaller town had a few antique shops but alas no salts. 
We did enjoy early morning beer and pretzels in a local brewery and could 
have added to our beer glass collection. We opted for some great nut kipfels 
(crescent pastry)  following the beer. German cookies
-Lebkuchen-for our afternoon 
tea.

Regensburg. We had to dock here for two days while waiting for recent rain to 
increase the depth of the Danube. The Danube between Regensburg and Passau 
can be too shallow to allow ship passage. The region is a national park and 
further river improvements are not contemplated, but this has been an 
exceptionally dry year for Europe. Facing
a bus trip to conclude our journey with some 
dismay, we were elated when the river rose in time, and the captain told us we 
would proceed. Still shallow, three officers conned the ship with help from a 
leading barge. We celebrated with a bottle of German bubbly. Few antique shops 
but many toy stores and I indulged myself with some nylon windmills and a 
dancing flyer. A toy collector's
paradise. In general, most of the German toys as 
well as souvenirs are of exceptional quality. Händelmeyers sweet mustard is 
available in Kaufhof
(department store) at the Neufarrplatz-I have two jars and a 
tube.

Passau. The last large city in Germany on the Austrian border. Here the 
rivers  Inn
and Ilz meet the Danube and there is plenty of draft for riverboats. A

most imposing town containing another startling discovery-The Passauer 
Glasmuseum, featuring Bohemian Glass from 1770-1950. Thirty thousand pieces
of glass 
in 35 rooms and 400 showcases-Baroque and Rococo (1700-1800), Empire 
(1800-1830), Biedermeier (1825-1860), Historicism (1860-1900),
Jugendstil (1900-1915) 
and Art Deco and Modernism (1915-1950).  Housed in  two thirds of the Hotel 
"Wilder Mann" dating from1303, it also contains a collection of  German cook 
books (12,600 volumes 1450-1950), as well as the restored rooms of Empress 
Elizabeth II (Consort of Emperor Franz Josef of
Austria and called the most beautiful 
woman in Europe.) She frequently stayed at the hotel. It has been called the 
most beautiful glasshouse in the world. The collection was assembled by one 
George Höltl over only 25 years, during a period in the 1950's and 1960's when 
there was little interest in this type of glass-(turn back-turn back o'time in 
thy flight-let it be 1950 again just for a while!). Only guide books for sale, 
no samples and no replicas. I would find it difficult to select this or 
Corning, NY as the best museum, but since Corning offers study possibilities, a 
great glass market and the Steuben Works, I'd have to pick Corning. Given the 
opportunity, Corning should acquire the Passau holdings so we could see them 
again!

Passau contains St. Stephen's Cathedral which has the world's largest church 
organ with 17,774 pipes. We attended a noon concert.  I haven't mentioned 
other cathedrals and churches of
which there were many. The stained glass in these 
historic houses of the Lord are among the greatest glass works ever achieved. 
As a sign in German said "these are houses of the Lord-not museums-conduct 
yourself accordingly"-Amen!

Melk. First stop in Austria. Our third visit to this most inspiring abbey, 
now made even more interesting by the addition of a museum. It also houses a 
school attended by our tour guide. The library immediately brings Umberto Eco's 
book "The Name Of The Rose" to mind. The abbey treasures and church are 
awesome. 

Durnstein and castle where Richard the Lionheart was held captive and 
ultimately ransomed.
Remember the Robin Hood story? We remembered local children, now 
adults, serenading us on a previous Danube trip.

Finally Vienna and no opportunity to shop or visit, but having been there 
often we only missed  not being able to see our Viennese friends. Then the long 
flight home. Many lines leaving Vienna and arriving Dulles, but AES limo was 
right there waiting for us-in 18 years they've never failed us. A great trip, 
made even greater by our many interests, but particularly our interest  in 
glass. Our tour guide read us a traveler's diary in which the writer mentioned 
seeing "a 12th Century cathedral and a wall built by Julius Caesar" for twelve 
consecutive
days running. How much better had the traveler been a glass collector 
with something else to look for.

Winchester, VA  post trip note. A few days after our return we stopped in at 
GNC Antiques to check the small case we rent. The Pullens showed us two open 
salts. Three inch oval cobalt liner in a Sheffield silver plate on copper 
holder.
The holder has Dutch scenes with two large windmills surmounting the insert

as well as Dutch characters, ships, etc. Did we travel all the way to the 
Netherlands only to find a Dutch open salt in our back yard? 

A TIP FOR COLLECTING FRIENDS-Collect those enameled magnets, the type you put 
on the refrigerator door to hold notes. They are well made, varied in design, 
often good enamel work and inexpensive. We picked up some European ones for 
our refrigerator. They show country maps of places we visited, ethnic costumes, 
etc. I've even seen cloisonne butterflies and dragonflies (Smithsonian 
Catalog.) Are they collectables of the future?


Gerry & Molly Berghold
Prepared for Winchester Glasshoppers, Open Salt Collectors Atlantic Region, 
Friends and Relatives.
9/19/03

Newsletter continues as no. 122C.

From: [email protected]
Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 122C dtd October 31, 2003
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:40:03 EST

THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 122C 
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(Issued monthly by [email protected])
October 31, 2003
(c) 2003 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)

***ALL SAINTS DAY AND CANDLES ARE LIT IN MEMORY OF DEPARTED LOVED ONES. FOUR 
CANDLES BURN IN MY HOME IN MEMORY OF IMMIGRANT GRANDPARENTS. THE BB HONORS OUR 
IMMIGRANT ANCESTORS.***

This fourth section of our 4-section newsletter includes:

1. Was Schachendorf The Site Of A Burgenland Concentration Camp?
2. Howard Heck Asks For Help
3. Reformation Sparked Many Migrations To Burgenland
4. Note from Felix Game-Print Your Genealogical Data
5. A Typical BB Query & Reply-Village Of Dreihutten

1. WAS SCHACHENDORF THE SITE OF A BURGENLAND CONCENTRATION CAMP?

In a message dated 9/14/03, [email protected] writes: I came across your 
e-mail in a Google search I did on a concentration camp. My grandfather is a 
survivor from Sachendorf (or Sachendorf) and I am trying to get as much
information 
as possible for a book I am writing about his life. The camp was in Austria, 
Sachendorf, a small village 20-25 kilometers from the Hungarian border. At 
least 35,000-40,000 Jews were in the camp. If you have any information 
whatsoever, please e-mail me: [email protected]

Reply: I believe you are referring to Sachsendorf which is in the province of 
lower (Nieder) Austria not in the Burgenland and not far from Hungary-4kms 
from  the border. There is a Schachendorf (Hungarian name was Csajta) in the 
province of Burgenland with no concentration camp connection
that I am aware of. 
Our research area is Burgenland exclusively. Suggest you try one of the 
general Austrian boards. I've copied our Hebraic editor who may have more 
information.
 
Response: Thanks for your information. I checked with my grandfather, who is 
a  survivor from Schachendorf. He said that the camp was 5km from the 
Hungarian border AND that it is called Csajta in Hungarian.
So, I am still puzzled as 
to whether he is referring to Sachsendorf or Schachendorf. Is there any way 
for me to obtain more information about the camp in Schachendorf?  What about 
pictures of the village today (and during the war)?

So far, I received information from the following source: Weinmann, Martin.  
Das nationalsozialistische Lagersystem.  Frankfurt am Main:  Zweitausendeins, 
1990.

The citation follows: Schachendorf was a forced labor camp for Jews, 
established in November 1944.  It held 3000-4000
prisoners who were used for digging 
of trenches. It was closed and evacuated to Mauthausen concentration camp on 28 
March 1945, and the prisoners were further transferred on 14 of April 1945 to 
Gunskirchen concentration camp Kommando, which was liberated on 6 May 1945.
This information is mainly provided by former inmates (as opposed to 
documents).
I greatly appreciate your help with this.

 Reply: Looks like you may have the right village-Schachendorf is about 5 kms 
from the border. Today it includes the village of Durnbach. It is in the 
district of Oberwart. I have a few pages of village information in German but 
there is no mention of a camp. The only pictures of which I am aware are in the 
book "Der Bezirk Oberwart im Wandel der Zeit" "The District OF Oberwart Over 
Time" by Kirsner & Peternell 1996.
Available from Kirsner & Peternell, Spezielle 
Publikationen, Kapellenweg 14, 8502 Lannach, Austria for about $40.00. I''ll 
mention your query in my next newsletter to see if any of our members know 
anything more.

 2.HOWARD HECK ASKS FOR HELP ([email protected]) 
Thank you for including my letter in the September Newsletter.  I received an 
e-mail in response to my letter that was number 5 in the newsletter.  My 
computer crashed before
I could save the message.  I believe the last name of the 
person was Larson or Olson who lives in St. Paul, Minnesota.  Would you please 
include this e-mail in your next newsletter?  I would be happy to help this 
person if she will try to contact me again.


3. REFORMATION  SPARKED MANY MIGRATIONS TO BURGENLAND

Last Sunday was Reformation Sunday and I couldn't help but reflect on the 
many changes caused by the Reformation and Counter Reformation. Subsequent war 
and intolerance
followed by famine, plague and economic disaster devastated most 
of Europe; much emigration followed. The ripple effect extended well into the 
last century and may still be with us.  As we read those wonderful LDS 
microfilms
of Burgenland parishes, we can see the changes that took place. Catholic

records at first, then Lutheran and Calvinist, then Catholic again, followed 
by both. Those of you with Palatinate ancestors (so-called Pennsylvania 
Dutch-my wife's people) may not know that the first religious migration
for this 
large group was from Switzerland to the Palatinate (Rhine-Hesse
today) and then to 
America, following a serious of devastating wars.

Relative to Burgenland family history, there were some good factors. I doubt 
if the Council of Trent, 1545-63 would have been held, if Martin Luther hadn't 
begun the Reformation. From that council we received church records and 
surnames. Everyone had to take a surname to facilitate
record keeping and parish 
priests were required to record baptisms. Marriage and death records followed. 
The down side was that the council also agreed that "he who rules decides 
religion" and intolerance followed. Subjects
had to follow the religion of their 
rulers or leave their homes. Many
changed but many opted to migrate. I know that 
the Lutherans (Evangelicals) in southern Burgenland migrated from Catholic 
Styria and Lower Austria, perhaps even from Catholic Swabia and Bavaria.  Even 
though local aristocracy could grant asylum (as the Batthyany did in southern 
Burgenland in the Herrschaft of Güssing), Protestant churches could not be 
built until the Edict of Toleration was passed in the 1700's. Lutheran churches 
were taken over and records seized. (A few years ago,  I examined one of the 
first  Martin Luther bibles printed in German in the rare book room of the 
Franciscan Cloister in
Güssing. I saw many other Protestant books that  had been 
taken from Protestant churches in the area.) This is why many Lutheran church 
records do not start until 1720, although the Turkish Wars also destroyed many. 
The Catholics were not alone in fomenting intolerance, Catholics in Protestant 
areas also had to change or migrate. The region that was Czechoslovakia stayed 
heavily Protestant and Catholics had a hard time. Among the worst excesses 
were those promoted by the Bishop of Salzburg-Protestants either changed or 
left, abandoning all of their property. Children were forcibly taken from their 
families and
given to others. Many Protestant Salzburgers ultimately migrated to 
Georgia and South Carolina where their descendants may still be found today. 
Swedish Protestants committed terrible atrocities during the 30 Years War (see 
previous newsletters) as did their Catholic counterparts. One can still see 
ruined castles destroyed by French Catholic armies, in what was primarily 
Protestant Rhineland.

The question arises, if we hadn't had the Reformation, would we have had the 
many migrations that subsequently took place? If you're looking for the origin 
of your family, it might be well to follow the religious record trail. I know 
the Counter Reformation caused my ancestors to migrate to Hungary from 
Styria.
Would I have been born in America if they hadn't? They were bad times,
but 
last Sunday, in our large Grace Lutheran Church in Winchester-a Catholic Priest 
officiated and delivered the sermon for the first time since the church was 
built in the 1700's. We are coming full circle-slowly but surely and God must 
be smiling.


4. NOTE FROM FELIX GAME-PRINT YOUR GENEALOGICAL DATA

There are a number of central European family history stalwarts who have 
shared their expertise and skill over the internet. Felix Game is one (see 
previous newsletters), although he has retired from active practice.
He recently 
wrote asking for an address and a short correspondence ensued.
He made the point 
that we should consider whether floppies and CD's will be readable in the 
future and that we should consider paper  records, A
good point as we see floppy 
drives passing from new computers. When will CD drives become obsolete? Felix 
writes:

 " I assume from what I have seen of your work, that you are an organized 
person, and everything is in place and probably
in various stages of completion. 
Having been driven by the knowledge that in my family tree I, being the last 
one who is able to handle research and documentation in both Hungarian and 
German, have a moral obligation to find and assemble all the documentation that 
may be of any use to any future genealogist among my descendants, I had my work 
also cut out for me. Then when it seemed that I had it "all" it was taking up 
too much real estate, so the logical conclusion was to put it all together in 
one place. I spent 9 years organizing and writing my book (The Game Ancestry) 
and put everything into it that I knew at that point (including sources of 
documentation and a list of all the documents
assembled, etc). It makes me laugh 
now, but after I published that book in 1997, there was hardly a day that I 
did not pick it up as a reference to confirm something in my memory or to get a 
date I had not memorized. And although I immediately started to work on The 
Second Edition to incorporate all the new information I had learned since 
publication, that book is going to
be the most important thing I have done in all my 
life and something that will outlive me by several hundred years. And it will 
be legible because it is paper. I am very computerized but I would not bet a 
Dollar that anyone 100 years from now will still be able to read a CD that I 
burn today. Hence my trust in paper. (you can see the 2nd edition as it stands 
today at <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fggame/ .

Thank you for the travelogue, which I will print out and put away for future 
reference, and perhaps after installing two new hips I will have the courage 
to have a go at that. And when I do, I will be thinking of you, and hopefully 
be able to send you MY travelogue. In the mean time I wish you much enjoyment 
of your self-imposed vocation to keep the BB going. With the most sincere good 
wishes for the future.
 

5. A TYPICAL BB QUERY & REPLY-DREIHUTTEN

ED. Note: I was clearing files when I came upon this 2002 query. It is very 
typical of those which furnish a good bit of information along with their 
questions. 

In a message dated 11/25/02 [email protected] writes: I am not 
sure if this email address above is still good but it does not hurt to try. My 
name is Christine Zumpf (Mosteika) My family is from Dreihutten Austria, 
located in Burgenland.
Both my grandfather and grandmother came from this village. 
Her name was Pahr. (ED.this name is also found as Paar.) I have been there and 
visited twice, in 1995 and in 2000. My grandfather's father name was Mathias 
Zumpf and his wife was Rosina Pahr. I am trying to go back one generation 
farther. I have asked the people there but they do not even know the name of 
Mathias' father.

There is a church in Oberwart  which I believe to be the local church that my 
family attended since I have a wedding certificate for my grandparents from a 
church in Oberwart. Do the churches in these little villages typically have 
records of births or deaths? I have been to the cemetery in the town of 
Dreihutten
and there are many Zumpfs but the family claims that they are not related

to my grandfather which I find odd but "who knows". Is there a way to find out 
how to reach the church in Oberwart? Or do you know of any way possible to 
find records of going back one generation further?

 Questions:

*Do the churches in these little villages typically have records of births or 
deaths? 
Answer: Yes-1828-1921 available from the LDS as microfilm. Also available at 
the parish office. See our village lists for parishes which serve your 
villages. Your problem may be one of spelling names. 

* Is there a way to find out how to reach the church in Oberwart? Or do you 
know of any way possible to find records of going back one generation farther?

Answer-Yes see above. Address of the RC office is:
Pfarramt Röm-Kath.
Steinamangerer Strasse 13
7400 Oberwart
Austria

This is only where your people were married. Their birth records (and 
ancestral records) are located in Bernstein if they were from Dreihütten.
There is 
also a Reformed church in Oberwart but I assume your people are RC.

The parish curch for Dreihütten is Bernstein.
Pfarramt Röm.-Kath.
Hauptstrasse 45
7434 Bernstein
Austria

Write in German if possible-enclose international reply coupons. You may not 
get an answer. Best to scan the LDS microfilm at any of their family history 
centers (have to be ordered)-cost is postage-see what we say about the LDS 
records.

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